[mod.computers.vax] VMS: questions about LP11s and file secu

McGuire_Ed@GRINNELL.MAILNET (08/06/86)

Any ideas about the following problem would be most appreciated!

We have some disks on our cluster that are mounted /SYSTEM on some nodes but
not mounted at all on others.  This is so that files on these "sensitive data
disks" cannot be accidentally made available to students, who have accounts on
nodes where the disks in question are not mounted.

Our two LP11 printer controllers are currently installed in two 750s on the
cluster.  When printing files, the disks where the files reside must be mounted
on the 750s for the print symbionts to open them.  Therefore, the sensitive
disks have been available from these nodes.

Soon we will be authorizing students on the 750s.  We wish to discontinue
mounting the sensitive disks on the 750s.  This has been a very easy way to
protect that data.  Unfortunately, the print symbionts would not be able to
print files on the sensitive disks if we did this.

Our alternatives, as I see them, are to leave the disks mounted or to move the
printer controllers.  But if we leave the disks mounted, we need a different
security mechanism for those disks that is as easy to maintain and as efficient
as our current method.  But we have no secure system to move our LP11s to
except one of our 8600s, and I've heard horror stories about performance of
8600s when LP11s are active on the UNIBUS.

Does anyone have an alternate disk volume protection method that would allow
nobody but the print symbionts to access the disks?  We don't want to do
anything that would impact performance on the 8600 that normally accesses the
disks, such as ACLs on the directories.  We don't want to be constantly
monitoring file protections for mistakes.

Or, has anybody put LP11s into an 8600?  Is it supported.  Did it work?  Was
there a performance problem?

Thanks in advance for any ideas and suggestions!

oberman@LLL-ICDC.ARPA ("Oberman, Kevin") (08/08/86)

I have a possible (and maybe reasonable) solution to the problem of cluster
disk security from users in a certain group. (i.e. Students).

The students would be given an identifier (e.g. STUDENT). The MFD on the
disks in question could then be given an ACL prohibiting access by a holder
of the STUDENT identifier. I don't believe there is any way to access the
disk if you can't access the MFD.

A possible ACE for the MFD would be:
$ SET DIRECTORY/ACL=(ID=STUDENT,ACCESS=NONE) disk$name:[000000]

Please be aware that this is just an idea, not something I have tried, so
the syntax may be a bit off.

						Kevin Oberman
						UCLLNL
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