[mod.computers.vax] VaxStar's and bigger disks

FRODO::MOSS@cs.umass.EDU ("Eliot Moss, GRC A351B, x5-4206") (03/18/87)

VaxStar's (officially MicroVax/VaxStation 2000's) come with room for a disk
in their box, and two disks are standardly offered: the RD32 (40 megabytes)
and the RD53 (about 70 megabytes). While it is not mentioned in the DEC
configurations, etc., is it in fact POSSIBLE to put in an RD54 (150
megabytes)? What difficulties might be encountered?

We may actually be able to perform a test, since we have a "seed" unit
VaxStar from DEC, but if anyone out there in netland has specific knowledge,
we would appreciate hearing about it. Comments from DEC engineers are
welcome!

Except for the disk space limitations, VaxStar's meet my project's needs. I
would prefer each system to have its own disk, since providing a server for
diskless workstations will probably somewhat reduce performance, definitely
reduce the number of workstations I can afford, give a single point of
failure (the disk server), and reduce our ability to provide a mix of VMS
and Ultrix systems -- not mention force reliance on less well debugged
software (LAVC or NFS (which is not even available yet)). But some of the
things we want to do simply will not fit on an RD53.

I don't like the 6 megabyte main memory limit either, but might be able to
live with it; while we're at it, are there any rumblings that indicate that
that limit can be gotten around? Perhaps a later upgrade to bigger memory
chips? Or a bigger piggyback board?

I can understand DEC's position that these are low end systems and that they
don't want them too upgradeable, since it would undermine there other
MicroVax offerings. But there is a factor of two price jump to the next
system, which will encourage a lot of pressure towards the sort of things I
am suggesting in this note. A more continuous spectrum (e.g., not dropping
the MicroVax RC) would have been more reasonable from a consumer's point of
view. The point is, if all I need is increased disk space and a low end
system is otherwise satisfactory, I shouldn't have to spend three times what
the disk costs just to get up to a system that lets me plug in the disk --
especially when the disk in question is in the same technological family.
That is, I can understand about not being able to put an RA81 on a VaxStar,
but why not an RD54? Enough opinion! Please send your answers (if you have
them) to:
			MOSS@cs.umass.edu
and thanks!

amr@rti-sel.UUCP.UUCP (03/20/87)

In response to the query about placing RD54s in VAXstation 2000's, there
"could be" at least two technical problems with the system:

	1.  Power consumption for the RD54 might be worse than for
		the RD53, and could exceed limits on the 2000's
		power supply.  5.25 in. hard disks seem to vary
		greatly in power consumption, especially when
		you look at startup (spinning up) surge currents.

	2.  Heat could also be a problem.  The VAXstation has
		one (1), quiet (i.e. less airflow) fan, compared
		to the several higher airflow fans in a BA123
		box (I can certainly attest to this, I can't 
		even begin to hear the VAXstation 2000 across
		the room from my desk due to the noise from the
		GPX that I use).

I too would be interested in knowing whether either of these problems
actually "do" exist, so post the results if you decide to perform a
test.

Consider standalone operation carefully though, even if you do add an
RD54 to a VAXstation 2000.  With EITHER an RD53 or an RD54 in the box,
there is no space for other disk storage IN THE SYSTEM UNIT (not even
the floppy drive).  These systems will have no removeable media for
backups or file transfer.  Either the TK50 expansion box or contact
with a network (along with use of DECnet and RSM, LAVC, or NFS) will
almost certainly be needed for reliable backup purposes.
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					Cheers,

					Alan Roberts
					Research Triangle Institute
					(decvax!mcnc!rti-sel!amr)