Info-IBMPC@B.ISI.EDU (Info-IBMPC Digest) (11/10/86)
Info-IBMPC Digest Sunday, November 9, 1986 Volume 5 : Issue 99 This Week's Editor: Phyllis O'Neil Today's Topics: 80Mb Hard Disk Under SCO Xenix File Comparison Utilities Hercules in a Compaq Selective COPY, DEL, and TYPE Adaptec ACB-2070A, Seagate ST-225 disk, and PC-DOS 3.1 Hard Disk Booting Problem QUBECALC, AnalytiCalc, ... (2 msgs) AT Dir Delay Selective Delete PCWATCH is NOT Public Domain Microsoft Quick-Basic 2.0 DOS Buffers, CONFIG.SYS, Debuggers, and Assembly Books COMMAND.COM Patch for Echo OFF Under DOS 3.1 Microsoft Quick-Basic 2.0 Today's Queries: Compaq DIP Switch Query MS-DOS Authors LPTX Works with DOS 2.0 but Not 3.1 NOTE from UNI217 Patching DOS 3.1 for "COM3" Tape Backup 512K to 640K Memory Expansion for New 8 MHz IBM PC-AT Micro Emacs Software Revision Control Systems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu 6 Nov 86 03:31:58-EST From: John Romkey <ROMKEY@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> Subject: 80Mb Hard Disk Under SCO Xenix To: info-ibmpc@B.ISI.EDU Several people replied to my query about getting an 80Mb drive to work under SCO Xenix (thanks!). They all pointed me at: Golden Bow Systems 2870 Fifth Avenue Suite 201 San Diego, CA 92103 Golden Bow sells a ROM that sits in the gaps around the BIOS ROMs and patches in its own tables over the standard BIOS disk type tables. It comes with a program that you run to select the drive parameters. I ordered one over the phone, it showed up 3 days later, and I got Xenix running that day. I've partitioned my disk into a 100 cylinder DOS partition and a 9900 cylinder Xenix partition, and everything works fine. The ROM is called 'DUB14' and costs about $100. I obviously don't have any association with Golden Bow or I wouldn't have had to ask about this in the first place... John Romkey FTP Software, Inc. (617) 868-4878 PO Box 150 UUCP: romkey@mit-vax.UUCP Kendall Square Branch ARPA: romkey@xx.lcs.mit.edu Boston, MA, 02142 ------------------------------ To: sher@j.bbn.com Cc: info-ibmpc@isib Subject: File Comparison Utilities Date: Thu, 06 Nov 86 13:14:45 -0500 From: jcmorris@mitre.ARPA The best file comparison I've used isn't free, but it's close to that and (believe it or not) comes from IBM. The "Personally Developed Software" catalog lists the SUPERC program, which provides menu-based comparison at the file, line, word, or byte level with numerous variations (column limits, etc.). I don't have the catalog handy, but I think it's about $30 or so. If you can't find a catalog, call 1-800-IBM-PCSW and order either the catalog (free) or the software (MC/VISA). Joe Morris (jcmorris@mitre) ------------------------------ Date: 1986 Nov 6 01:40 EDT From: Bob Babcock <PEPRBV%CFATA1.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU> To: <Info-IBMPC@B.ISI.EDU> Subject: Hercules in a Compaq A while back I posted a few messages asking for help in getting a Hercules monochrome graphics board or equivalent board to run in a Compaq portable. I did finally succeed, but it wasn't easy. First, the Compaq disk controller board and the Hercules monochrome board both have LPT1 ports, neither of which can be disabled or switched to LPT2. Hercules tech support suggested using their new board which has a parallel port which can be disabled, or a rather drastic hardware modification which would void the warranty. We opted to exchange the Hercules board for a clone from Classic which also allowed disabling the port (or at least the second one did when we got the correct board revision). Next, we wanted to remove the Compaq video board entirely to free up the slot. Compaq tech support claimed that there should be no problem with doing this with any BIOS version, as long as the motherboard switch was set properly, but in fact we had to get a BIOS upgrade in order to boot in this configuration. Finally, we found that many pieces of software seemed to switch to the (disconnected) internal monitor. Typing MODE MONO would switch back, but this didn't help in the middle of a program. A little experimentation with DEBUG showed that INT 10h calls for 80x25 color or B&W mode setting both switched to the internal monitor, while INT 10h with AX=700h switched back to the Hercules clone. Perhaps I'll understand why when my Compaq tech reference manual finally shows up; this seems to be an undefined function call in my IBM documentation. So, I wrote a simple resident routine to intercept INT 10h and translate AX=200 or 300h to AX=700, and finally everything seems to work. I could send the source code to the net, or is this to obscure a problem to interest anyone else? ------------------------------ To: stevens@a.isi.edu Subject: Selective COPY, DEL, and TYPE Date: Thu, 06 Nov 86 16:52:51 -0500 From: Mark Colan <mtc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU> The cleanest way to do this would be to write a simple "C" program which would expand the file name list and execute the command for each expanded file. In Lattice C 3.10 you can easily expand files with the dfind / dnext calls, and execute a command via system(). But there is a challenge here: to do it entirely in .BAT programming. I've come up with one (admittedly dirty) solution using .BAT commands. You need the following two .BAT files, and the ASK program from info-ibmpc (DOS does not provide any means of asking for a reply in .BAT files, so the ASK program is unfortunately necessary). Here are the two BAT files: SELECT.BAT echo off for %%f in (%2) do command /c select1 %1 %%f %3 SELECT1.BAT :select1 echo off ask "%1 %2 %3 ? " ny if errorlevel = 2 goto doit goto dont :doit %1 %2 %3 goto done :dont echo %1 %2 %3 NOT done. :done (If you don't have the ASK program yet, get ASK.ASM from usc-isib:<info-ibmpc> and build it with the following commands, which are not listed in the ASK.DOC: MASM ASK; LINK ASK; EXE2BIN ASK; REN ASK.BIN ASK.COM ) The BAT files are set up to allow the use of ANY command, DOS or otherwise, that has one or two arguments. It would be easy to make this work with commands up to 8 arguments by replacing all occurences of "%3" with "%3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9" in both files. To use SELECT, just precede the command with your desired template with the word SELECT. For examples: To DELETE files: select del *.c To COPY files: select copy foo??.* \bar For each matching file (using any valid DOS template) it will type out the full command it is going to do, followed by a "?". You reply with "y" or "Y" if you want the action to occur; anything else is the same as typing "n". MISFEATURES: 1. Unless you have your COMMAND.COM patched to permanently turn off ECHO, you will see "ECHO OFF" twice before it asks the big question, for each file. Any clever hackers out there know how to avoid it without the patch? 2. If you want to quit, you can't, until it has asked for each and every matching file. You will have to hit "n" or "Enter" for each question it asks. Even ^C or ^Break does not exit very well. 3. This still requires a program from INFO-IBMPC library, which this request asked to avoid. SUGGESTION: To play with these commands, use the "ECHO" command: SELECT ECHO *.* This command has no effect except for writing a message on your screen, so its less troublesome than playing with DEL. Mark Colan MIT Project Athena ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 86 14:04:16 PST From: Ya'akov_Miles%UBC.MAILNET@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA To: info-ibmpc@USC-ISIB.ARPA, Paul.Birkel@a.cs.cmu.edu Subject: Adaptec ACB-2070A, Seagate ST-225 disk, and PC-DOS 3.1 80Mb Hard Disk Under SCO Xenix File Comparison Utilities I have an Adaptec ACB-2070A controller, and am using it with PC-DOS 3.1 There has been no problem booting either a Seagate ST-225 system disk, or a NEC D5126 system disk with this hardware/software configuration. Note that I have not felt it necessary to spring for the more expensive Seagate ST-238 disk, my Seagate ST-225 disk works just fine with the Adaptec ACB-2070A controller... bd@triumfcl.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 86 12:44:42 CST From: MATHPG1%UMCVMB.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Rich Winkel) To: info-ibmpc@usc-isib.arpa Subject: Hard Disk Booting Problem > Until I figure this out and get it fixed I've been using the >following approach: a boot disk in drive A containing the standard system >software, a new CONFIG.SYS with a couple of device drivers, and an >AUTOEXEC.BAT containing: > c: > autoexec.bat >The trouble is that while booting fine, and reading the CONFIG.SYS file >correctly, I get to the prompt without invoking the AUTOEXEC.BAT on the >A drive. If I then type {autoexec} to the prompt then the C drive is >correctly logged-in and the autoexec.bat there executes flawlessly. What >have I done wrong ... I assume you have put a SHELL= command in your config.sys file to get dos to reload command.com from drive C:. Did the shell command include the /P option? This is required if you want it to run autoexec.bat automatically. The full syntax would be: SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\/P/E:nnn assuming your command.com is on the root dir of drive c:. The /E:nnn option is for setting the size of the environment. Just leave it off if you don't need it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 86 15:23 EDT From: EVERHART%ARISIA%rca.com@RELAY.CS.NET To: info-IBMPC%usc-isib.arpa@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: QUBECALC, AnalytiCalc, ... I've seen Qubecalc on the DEC Market system and ran a test a couple days ago of a 20 by 20 heat transfer model (each cell the average of itself and its 8 neighbors, with boundary conditions). The package ran nicely and updates displays very quickly. For folks who want a spreadsheet for truly 3 dimensional applications, this package gives a usable engine. Online help is also quite well done. In comparison, AnalytiCalc, which is also available on the Simtel20 system and on Market, is a 2D 18000 by 18000 sheet with links to other sheets permitted. It offers a cruder help system but lots of functions you won't see elsewhere like FFTs on screen, matrix math, 8 dimensional equation fitting, multiple equations per cell, etc.... The 20 by 20 test took 58 seconds for QubeCalc to recalculate once (on a 6MHz AT). It took AnalytiCalc 14 seconds to do the same problem. AnalytiCalc uses DOS (!) or the BIOS for screen writing, so appears slower. Evidently there's some penalty for having all the 3D logic. Still, QubeCalc handles 3D problems much more smoothly than conventional architectures. Cells are referred to as Rk;l;m or Ak;l;m where k;l;m are the x, y, and z coordinates of cells. These are numbered 0 to 63 and seem to have recursive boundary conditions (so 0 and 63 are neighbors) though I didn't play much with this, so I don't know about in formulas. Either package appears to be considerably more powerful than the other PD spreadsheet systems, and both have features that commercial packages lack. I'd suggest that for most applications you may want to look at AnalytiCalc. The DEC Market system (617 467 7437; login LCG.KERMIT KERMIT) has AnalytiCalc in the MSDOS: area and QUBECALC in the PCDOS: area, both archived. Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri 7 Nov 86 13:12:26-PST From: Bruce Buzbee <BUZ@SRI-KL.ARPA> Subject: 3D Spreadsheet To: info-ibmpc@B.ISI.EDU The archive file of QubeCalc on SIMTEL-20 is alright now. Apparently some people have been getting a bad header message when dearchiving it (I got the same message when I dearchived it). This message doesn't appear to have any affect on the program or associated files, though. I'm removing the copy from my directory on the KL so you'll have to get it from SIMTEL from now on (I need my disk space). - Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 86 07:38:09 pst From: nike!lll-crg!well!mo@cad.Berkeley.EDU (Maurice Weitman) Subject: AT Dir Delay I have just read a few items in Volume 5, Issue 98 concerning "AT Dir Delay", and find them to be inconsistent with my experience. All posters in that issue believe that the faster DIRs, or more accurately, the faster free space calls, are due to the BUFFERS=nn statement in one's config.sys file being high enough to hold one's entire FAT in RAM. My theory, (stress on theory) is that DOS 3.1 improved the free space call to read the entire FAT once, and on subsequent calls, rely upon the previous amount of free space found, modified whenever any space is released or attached. The empirical evidence I'm using here comes from my experience with a 32mb disk under PCDOS 3.0, which paused after each free space call, regardless of the number of BUFFERS. I subsequently patched DIR to not make the call, since I didn't give a bleep whether I had 2 or 5 mb free. I then installed 3.1, and noticed its current, civilized behavior. And smile each time it happens. %-) Btw, CHKDSK does flush all buffers, and seems to also clear the free space counter. (Ask Billy Gates why.) -- Quote: "The police aren't here to create disorder, they're here to preserve disorder." Mayor Richard J. Daly, Chicago, 1968 Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors. Maurice Weitman 9600 ..!{dual,hplabs,lll-crg,ptsfa,glacier}!well!mo | 57600 (415)549-0280 voice (415)549-0388 modem-2400 this^is not 300 mcimail mweitman a pipe 110 P. O. Box 10019 Berkeley, CA 94709 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 86 07:39:54 cst From: moore@ncsc.ARPA (Moore) To: gillmann@b.isi.edu Subject: Selective Delete Someone already answered your selective copy question; VDEL.COM, from PC Mag many issues ago, prompts you if you really want to delete each file. If you want to try it I'll either UUENCODE and mail it to you or let you FTP to here. Jim Moore@NCSC.arpa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 86 13:38:03 est From: pgc#@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul G. Crumley) To: info-ibmpc@usc-isib.arpa Subject: PCWATCH is NOT Public Domain PCWATCH is NOT a public domain program. The program you can obtain from the IBM BBS at 305/998-3227 is a DEMO of the program. If you would like to purchase this program contact IBM at 800/IBM-PCSW. MC/Visa are OK. I have used this program and it is often the "only" sane way to find the subtle bugs that tend to creep into MS-DOS applications. The program is also a great tool for dissecting the operation of MS-DOS and PC BIOS. I would certainly recommend this program to any person writing applications for the PC and compatibles that directly access PC BIOS, MS-DOS, and installable utility services. Best Regards, Paul G. Crumley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 86 15:34:14 PST From: Ya'akov_Miles%UBC.MAILNET@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA To: info-ibmpc@USC-ISIB.ARPA Subject: Microsoft Quick-Basic 2.0 I recently took delivery of Microsoft Quick_Basic 2.0 This product does not seem as nice as Quick-Basic 1.02 for my applications. o I cannot get a dis-assembled listing of the object code, because the /A command no longer works. (Is this to disguise bad code?) o RBBS-PC does not work properly with Quick-Basic 2.0, there seems to be a problem with the Page-Up and Page-Down key with RBBS. o I personally do not like windowing environments for program development. Surely Microsoft could have implemented this as an overlay to the compiler, rather than integrating this as an integral part of the compiler, which is hard to circumvent. o It would be nice if the QB compiler spat out the line in error on STDERR, (like Quick-Basic 1.02 does), instead of simply printing ERROR xxx IN LINE yyy with no dump of LINE "yyy" on the console. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 86 20:09:26 PST From: osbook@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (osbook) Subject: DOS Buffers, CONFIG.SYS, Debuggers, and Assembly Books Apparently-To: info-ibmpc@usc-isib.arpa Rich Winkel UMC Math Department says... > >The size of DOS's disk cache is set by the BUFFERS= command in CONFIG.SYS. >If it is not specified, it defaults to 0. So you should create a >CONFIG.SYS file in the root directory of your clone and put the line >BUFFERS=20 >in it. While you're at it, you might as well include 'FILES=20', to increase >the maximum number of open files to something reasonable. > Actually, the buffers command sets disk i/o buffers, not cache buffers. The default is not 0! (how could you do any I/O with no buffers?) In fact, the default is 2 (3 for AT's). The advice about creating a CONFIF.SYS file is well taken. However, buffers=20 is not absolutely the only good value. Good values are said to lie between 20 and 30. I have yet to meet anyone who knew how to pick a good value, though. Yes, you should set FILES=20. You should also set BREAK to ON and you will probably want to install the ANSI.SYS driver. By the way, the article quoted above remarks that the CONFIG file must be in the root directory. This is correct. There is an interesting question: What other files must appear only in the root directory? Many people believe that all these must appear in the root directory: 2 hidden files for DOS AUTOEXEC.BAT COMMAND.COM CONFIG.SYS Actually, COMMAND.COM does not! have to be in the root directory. This is important if you a purist (as I am) who maintains that the root directory should contain only other sub-directories and as few files as possible. I put all the DOS files (including COMMAND) into a DOS subdirectory, which I reference with an appropriate PATH command in the AUTOEXEC.BAT files. To boot properly, you need only include a SHELL command in CONFIG.SYS. For example: SHELL=\dos\command.com /p You can use this same command to expand your environment (a must for proper organization of a fixed disk). See your particular DOS manual for details. In order for programs to find COMMAND.COM when they need to, you also need to set CONSPEC in AUTOEXEC.BAT. For example: SET COMSPEC=\dos\command.com ALSO: A reader asked about PC Watch,,, PC Watch was written by James Gilliam Jr and Larry Raper of IBM. PC Watch is sold by IBM as part of their Personally Developed Software series for $49.95. Part# 6276603. Call 800-IBM-PCSW. No doubt that the copy that appears on that Florida BBS is stolen. You can tell for sure by using a debugger to examine the beginning of the load module for an IBM copyright. If you are a beginner and you really want to know about how things work, I suggest you try the DOS enhanced debugger (also IBM Personally Developed Software). This is the best debugger I have found for learning. Part#6276594. 800-IBM-PCSW. This program was written by Manny Alvarez Jr. and has to be the best bargin ($29.95) since peace with honor. Also, try the snOOp (sic) program sold by Spite Software. $49.95. snOOp disassembles anything and provides comments to make it easy to take things apart and see how they work. Call 503-245-8102. (I have no connection, by the way, with either IBM or Spite.) Last, if you are a beginner and you are learning assembly language then you need a copy of my new book: The Complete Guide to IBM PC AT Assembly Language (which will also help you understand PC's and XT's). The book is published by Scott Foresman and Company and will be available near the end of Nevember. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 86 19:54:45 pst From: Robert Lenoil <lenoil%apple.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> To: info-ibmpc@B.ISI.EDU Subject: COMMAND.COM Patch for Echo OFF Under DOS 3.1 Info-IBMPC volume 4, issue 103, contains a compendium of DOS 3.1 patches, including the ECHO OFF modification. To save you the trouble, however, the ECHO OFF modification for 3.1 is to patch byte 1967 of COMMAND.COM with a zero. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 86 17:35:50 PST From: Ya'akov_Miles%UBC.MAILNET@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA To: info-ibmpc@USC-ISIB.ARPA, gordonl@microsoft.uucp Subject: Microsoft Quick-Basic 2.0 Quick-Basic 2.0 woes... I have some other complaints, primarily: I recomiled and tested my application with it, and IT DIDN'T WORK. Fell over dead when it sniffed the com port. Foo. That was about 4 months ago, and I haven't even looked at it. Our follow-on to the Quick Basic fiasco is written in C, and it works. 'Nuf said. At least 1.02 got us out of that particular swap. I'm not interested in visiting another. Thanks for your comments, and I agree with them. If you post them to IBM-PC, Microsoft will see them (and you might even get some actions)... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 86 14:21:07 GMT From: Keith Dale <kdale@bbncc-eur.ARPA> Subject:Compaq DIP Switch Query To: info-ibmpc@b.isi.edu Cc: kgordon@dca-eur.arpa, kdale@bbncc-eur.arpa I'm posting this for a friend. He has a Compaq Portable (not the Compaq Plus) with two 5 1/4" drives, 256k RAM and an AST Six-Pack with 384k RAM. The Compaq manual does not list the DIP switch settings that will enable the RAM up to the 640k limit. All he's been able to get via trial and error is 512k. Is there perhaps a jumper that needs to be moved, or is it just in the switch settings? Can some kind soul provide us with the info to get him fully operational? Thanks!! Keith Dale (kdale@bbncc-eur.arpa) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 86 08:32 EST From: CJFMW3%IRISHMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: MS-DOS Authors Does anyone know the name and address of the original authors of MS-DOS before it was sold to MicroSoft, and is now selling the current version directly? [I doubt they are selling current versions of DOS. -wab] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 86 17:55:53 MEZ From: UNI217%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: LPTX Works with DOS 2.0 but Not 3.1 Hello! Recently, I downloaded LPTX.ASM V3.0 from the INFO-IBMPC program library and tried to use it under DOS 3.1 with my Zenith Z-158. However, after writing 512 bytes to the file output was redirected to, the system was crashed, I had to turn the power off. Next time I tried it with DOS 2.0 and it worked. Can anybody tell me how to use this program with DOS 3.1 ? Thank you, Rainer Kleinrensing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 86 18:07:13 MEZ To: info-ibmpc@usc-isib.ARPA From: UNI217%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: NOTE from UNI217 Hello! Recently I read some older INFO-IBMPC digests and noticed a message about Zenith Data Systems BBS. Cathy FULTON at DECWRL in CSNET offered to send several files containing information about Zenith and other MS-DOS computers from that discussion forum. However, those files are no longer available from C.Fulton. Did anybody out there receive those files and could send them to me? (Date of original notice was 21-August-86). Thank you in advance, Rainer Kleinrensing ------------------------------ Date: Fri 7 Nov 86 16:05:15-PST From: David John Buerger <D.Buerger%SCU%PANDA@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Subject: Patching DOS 3.1 for "COM3" To: info-ibmpc@USC-ISIB.ARPA cc: dave%SCU%PANDA@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Does anyone know how to patch DOS 3.1 such that a MODE LPT1:=COM2 command would send output *NOT* to the normal COM2 address, but instead to 3E8-3EF ? This latter address is the "COM3" address for the JRAM-3 card which I have installed in my IBM PC/XT. I'd also like to know how to patch WordPerfect 4.1 (IBM PC version) such that its COM3 address in each serial printer installation would also reflect the 3E8-3EF location. Why all the fuss? I want to run two modems respectively off COM1 and COM2, and have all my printer output going to COM3. My printer is a QMS PS-800 laser printer. I would like to send WordPerfect documents directly to it's installed COM3 setting (right now I'm using COM2), and LaTeX PostScript documents, print- screens, etc. directly to the printer via DOS. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I haven't gotten COM3 to work at all. David J. Buerger Director, PC Center Santa Clara University Dave%SCU%Panda@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 86 08:32:47 AST From: PAUL%Acadia.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Paul Steele - Acadia University) Subject: Tape Backup To: info-ibmpc@usc-isib.arpa cc: info-mac@sumex.stanford.edu I am trying to find a tape backup unit (20 Meg) that will work on both a Macintosh and a IBM PC. Because of the Macintosh, it will obviously have to be a SCSI device, so what it basically comes down to is if there is any SCSI tape controllers for IBM PC's that might work with one of the MAC tape units. If anyone has any suggestions as to how this might be done, please let me know. I can't justify a backup unit for both machines, but sharing one unit seems a reasonable way to go. ==> Paul@Acadia.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 86 00:03 EST From: <SKAPUR%SBCCMAIL.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU> Subject: 512K to 640K Memory Expansion for New 8 MHz IBM PC-AT To: info-ibmpc@b.isi.edu I have a new 8 Mhz IBM AT with 512KB of memory on the motherboard. What is the least expensive way to increase total memory to 640KB ? I do not want more than 640KB of total memory. I also do not want extra serial or parallel adapters. The only solution I know of involves spending upwards of $300. Thank you. Sanjay Kapur SKAPUR@SBCCMAIL.BITNET or SKAPUR%SBCCMAIL.BITNET@WISCVM.arpa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 86 13:38 CST From: <KRANTZ%VUENGVAX.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU> Subject: Micro Emacs To: info-ibmpc@b.isi.edu From time to time I hear mention of a new version of Micro Emacs for the IBM-PC. Is there a version of this program for a Vax running VMS? If so is there a way to obtain a copy of it via bitnet? Thank You, Alan Krantz Krantz@vuengvax.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat 8 Nov 86 10:25:15-PST From: D.LEWIS@SCU Subject: Software Revision Control Systems To: info-ibmpc%b.isi.edu%sumex-aim@PANDA I'm looking for a good Software Revision Control System for PC-MS/DOS. I have found the names of four, and would like to know what experiences anyone has had with any of these. I will try to summarize the responses that come directly to me and post them to the net. The four that I know of are: TexSys ~$89 Manufacturer unknown TLIB $99.95 Burton Systems Software P.O. Box 4156 Cary, N.C. 27511-4156 (919) 469-3068 Software Revision Mgmt System (SRMS) $99.95 Quilt Computing 7048 Stratford Rd Woodbury, Maine 55125 (612) 739-4650 Polytron Version Control System (PVCS) $395 Polytron Corp. P.O. Box 787 DS-350 Hillsboro, OR 97123 (800) 547-4000, Dept 350 Please direct all replies to: Dan Lewis, Assoc. Prof. of CS Dept of EECS Santa Clara University Santa Clara, CA 95053 Arpanet: D.LEWIS%SCU%PANDA@SUMEX-AIM Usenet: ames!scuvax!lewis Phone: (408) 554-4449/4482 ------------------------------ End of Info-IBMPC Digest ************************ -------