[net.internat] Against the fall of net.internat

davidson@sdcsvax.UUCP (Greg Davidson) (10/20/85)

(If you read net.internat and are not in Europe, please send me a note;
I'll do a census and inform the net - so PLEASE, EVERYBODY, RESPOND!)

I was shocked to read in net.internat that it was to be closed to US
readership without a discussion in the group because (1) most of the
submitted articles originate in Europe and (2) it's creation did not
follow the proper creation rules.  I think that this is an important
group, and should by its subject matter receive a worldwide distribution.

First, net.internat is not just an European group, as the recent
vigorous discussion of how to accommodate Chinese characters exhibits.
I have also noticed many postings by US authors (though its the
readers' locations that count), so they should not be ignored, even if
outnumbered.  I have been reading it, and I'm sure many other people
outside of Europe have been also.

As for the business of closing groups that are not properly formed,
net.internat followed a mandate from the last EUUG conference in
Copenhagen.  Need I remind US readers that the EUUG is the sister
organization to Usenix in the States?  This is hardly a thoughtless,
irresponsible basis from which to create a newsgroup.  If we could
afford the time to debate newsgroup creations at UNIX conferences,
it would be very nice - preferable to using net.news.group.

The creator of net.internat was not familiar with the protocol for
approving newsgroups with US distribution, but this is understandable
since he is not from the States.  I'm sure the smaller European USENET
community have their own protocol for these things, or will soon - it
would behoove us to be more tolerant of this kind of error.

Please allow net.internat to continue while we have a chance to ask how
many people are reading it.  If the name is objectionable, that can be
easily remedied.

_Greg Davidson		decvax!sdcsvax!davidson
			ucbvax!sdcsvax!davidson
			davidson@ucsd.arpa

P.S.  If you read net.internat & are not in Europe, don't forget to
send me a note!

garys@bunker.UUCP (Gary M. Samuelson) (10/21/85)

> I was shocked to read in net.internat that it was to be closed to US
> readership without a discussion in the group because (1) most of the
> submitted articles originate in Europe and (2) it's creation did not
> follow the proper creation rules.  I think that this is an important
> group, and should by its subject matter receive a worldwide distribution.

I agree.  If the U.S. is excluded, it will be like a preacher whose
Sunday morning sermons are on the importance of church attendance; those
who most need to hear the message aren't there to hear it!

I have worked for two different U.S. companies which supposedly produce
international products; both companies essentially developed two
distinct product lines, one for the domestic (i.e., U.S.) market, and
one for the international (mostly European) market.  This happened
because most American developers make Anglo-centric (if that's not
a word, I just coined it) assumptions, without even realizing it.

Gary Samuelson
ittatc!bunker!garys