JWHITE%MAINE.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA (10/08/85)
From: JWHITE%MAINE.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA (Jim White) There has been considerable debate in SF-LOVERS about the fate of the Protectors from the Home colony. Although I'm not sure that was ever resolved, (I certainly hope not), a spin off of that debate seems to concern the polar projection maps in the Great Ocean (one of) of the Ringworld. Larry Niven does seem to have a penchant (intentional or not) to write stories that inspire debate. The maps on the Ringworld may be his attempt to get back at us for being so interested (picayune?) concerning the detail of his works. These maps certainly provide a challenge to any who attempt to unearth a rationale for their existance, or for that matter, the existance of the Ringworld itself. Almost certainly the Ringworld was built by Pak and NOT the human variant of the Home colony, as some had suggested during the earlier aforementioned discussion. The time line isn't right for it to be any other way. I suspect, and I'd have to reread the timeline in Known Space, that about the time Phssthpok was entering the Sol system, the Puppeteers were greedily seeding Ringworld with the superconductor pathogen, (give or take a thousand years). Chmee, I believe, was right when he deduced the Ringworld was hundreds of thousands of years old when he, Louis, et. al. got there. I do believe Chmee was right but not necessarily for the same reason. Chmee thought that their had been too much evolution and mutation of the original 'human' stock for the Ringworld to have been anything but ancient. An important fact to remember here is that the Ringworld is mobile. The Ringworlds sun could be flared by manipuating the magnetic effects of portions of the Ringworld 'scrith'. The sun would move and the Ringworld's attitude jets would chug furiously to keep up. Someone will probably be delighted to calculate what it's maximum speed and acceleration might be, but I suggest that both would be sufficient to be able to escape the core explosion. I advance the theory that the Ringworld is some giantic Noah's Ark. It was built near the core world of Pak by breederless Protectors who had staved off death by starvation by generalizing their protective instincts to generic Pak and, yes, even non-Pak species. The building of the Ringworld, sans maps, would be easy to figure. The Pak protectors fought continual planet wide wars. If They were going to build something to escape the destruction of their home world, it would be reasonable to build something big enough to allow room for each Protector, and it's breeders. Their technology would probably make quantum leaps forward because, with room, they wouldn't fight as much. The maps however, tend to discredit a Ringworld 'by Pak and for Pak' theory, as the maps would serve no function for a Pak, and they do not build a functionless artifacts. I believe that the Ringworld has been traveling hither and yon thourghout the galaxy for quite some time. During that time the Pak have collected species and built replicas of the species home planets. The divergent life of the Ringworld is not so much a function of evolution and mutation, as Chmee deduced, but that in concert with specie variation from planet to planet. It may well be that the species were really much different but that the Ringworld environment favors a human form, (since the Pak built it), and the various inhabitants have been evolving toward the human form since placed on the Ringworld. I'm sure there are arguements that conflict with this scenario. It would, admittedly, be quite an altruistic leap forward for a Pak to care about saving any specie other than Pak breeders. However, the Pak had obviously intended to keep Kzinti, and Grogs on the Ringworld or they wouldn't have created the Kzin and Gummidgy maps. The Ringworld must have been created to flee the core explosion, because there would be little reason to make such a structure mobile. Ah well, signing off for now. Jim White
okamoto@ucbvax.ARPA (Doctor Who) (10/10/85)
In article <3944@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU>, JWHITE%MAINE.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA writes: > From: JWHITE%MAINE.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA (Jim White) > > The time line isn't right for it to be any other way. I suspect, > and I'd have to reread the timeline in Known Space, that about the time > Phssthpok was entering the Sol system, the Puppeteers were greedily seeding > Ringworld with the superconductor pathogen, (give or take a thousand years). The Puppetteers seeded the Ringworld around 1732 AD. [1] > An important fact to remember here is that the Ringworld is mobile. The > Ringworlds sun could be flared by manipuating the magnetic effects of portions > of the Ringworld 'scrith'. The sun would move and the Ringworld's attitude > jets would chug furiously to keep up. Sorry, but the Ringworld will be "tethered" to its sun by gravity. The attittude jets need only be used for lateral movement of the Ringworld. > Someone will probably be delighted to > calculate what it's maximum speed and acceleration might be, but I suggest that > both would be sufficient to be able to escape the core explosion. The acceleration is EXTREMELEY small, but the sun has a lot of fuel to use. And, when the sun has expended all its material, the scrith can generate a ramscoop field and thus propel itself and provide light for the surface. (Granted that the color will be off, by quite a bit....) > I advance the theory that the Ringworld is some giantic Noah's Ark. It was > built near the core world of Pak by breederless Protectors who had staved > off death by starvation by generalizing their protective instincts to generic > Pak and, yes, even non-Pak species. The problem there is if this is so, why did they build it so near Earth where the exploratory Pak are? Seems to me that if they wanted to stay well away from them, they would explore in the OPPOSITE direction that the first Pak went in. > I believe that the Ringworld has been traveling hither and yon thourghout the > galaxy for quite some time. During that time the Pak have collected species > and built replicas of the species home planets. Hmm, interesting theory. But it makes no sense. First of all, the Known Space planets are by no means on a straight line. They would need interstellar craft to reach all the myriad planets. Second, the puppetteers would have noticed the Ringworld long before they claim they did. Same goes for the Kzinti. [1] Cf, Chaosium's Role-Playing game "Ringworld" (Check out the credits :-) The New Number Who, okamoto@BERKELEY.EDU Jeff Okamoto ..!ucbvax!okamoto