[net.micro.amiga] Long Persistence Monitor

root@ucsfcca.UUCP (Computer Center) (05/01/86)

Recent discussions of the cost of long persistence color monitors
suitable for interlaced display indicated figures like $1300.

The 860428 (28 Apr 86 for those who don't sort on dates) issue
of ComputerWorld, page 116, carried an announcement of the
Zenith ZVM-1360, a long persistence 13" diagonal unit with
a list price of $799.

The claimed resolution is 640 x 480 pixels in interlaced mode.

Thos Sumner    (...ucbvax!ucsfcgl!ucsfcca.UCSF!thos)

cem@intelca.UUCP (05/03/86)

> Recent discussions of the cost of long persistence color monitors
> suitable for interlaced display indicated figures like $1300.
> 
> The 860428 (28 Apr 86 for those who don't sort on dates) issue
> of ComputerWorld, page 116, carried an announcement of the
> Zenith ZVM-1360, a long persistence 13" diagonal unit with
> a list price of $799.
> 
> The claimed resolution is 640 x 480 pixels in interlaced mode.
> 
> Thos Sumner    (...ucbvax!ucsfcgl!ucsfcca.UCSF!thos)

Actually the problem is that this monitor is TTL RGB (Oh why is 
big blue so pervasive?) In order to make it into an Amiga
compatible monitor you would have to replace the simple TTL
input buffers into full fledge analog amps (With 20 Mhz bandwidth)
Not something for the faint of heart. Of course you could get off
to a good start by picking one of these up as a "Taxan" monitor 
at some of the Heath retail stores. The one in San Francisco was
clearing them out at $399.00.

--Chuck
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root@ucsfcca.UUCP (Computer Center) (05/08/86)

> > The claimed resolution is 640 x 480 pixels in interlaced mode.
> > 
> > Thos Sumner    (...ucbvax!ucsfcgl!ucsfcca.UCSF!thos)
> 
> Actually the problem is that this monitor is TTL RGB
> 
> --Chuck

Thanks for pointing out the distinction on analog vs. TTL. I think the
point is that long persistence units are being produced at a lower
price than the previous discussion indicated.

The difference for changed persistence is all in the picture tube,
isn't it? Production economics being what they are the chassis for
several models are probably very much alike.  So getting one of these
tubes into a monitor with analog amplifiers might be easy.

On the other hand, the phosphors being used might have sufficient
nonlinearity to be unsuitable. Do you know anything about phosphor
theory? I can't claim to.

Thos     (...ucbvax!ucsfcgl!ucsfcca!thos)

porter@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Jeff Porter) (05/11/86)

> > > The claimed resolution is 640 x 480 pixels in interlaced mode.
> > > 
> > > Thos Sumner    (...ucbvax!ucsfcgl!ucsfcca.UCSF!thos)
> > 
> > Actually the problem is that this monitor is TTL RGB
> > 
> > --Chuck
> 
> Thanks for pointing out the distinction on analog vs. TTL. I think the
> point is that long persistence units are being produced at a lower
> price than the previous discussion indicated.
> 
> The difference for changed persistence is all in the picture tube,
> isn't it? Production economics being what they are the chassis for
> several models are probably very much alike.  So getting one of these
> tubes into a monitor with analog amplifiers might be easy.
> 
> On the other hand, the phosphors being used might have sufficient
> nonlinearity to be unsuitable. Do you know anything about phosphor
> theory? I can't claim to.
> 
> Thos     (...ucbvax!ucsfcgl!ucsfcca!thos)

I have spoken with many monitor suppiers about this and they have
all indicated that long persistance monitors are hard to come by.

Another thing which is not helping is the Japanese Yen.  C-A spends
more greenbacks to buy the same number of Yen, therefore most cheap 
picture tubes are not coming from Japan, YET Japan is where all
the technology is for tube phosphors.  And even in Japan they are hard
to come by...korea, taiwan, etc, are a little behind.

We are however in search of the elusive inexpensive long persistance
monitor that doesn't ghost too much.

All this is very subjective.  Does this make any sense?

Jeff Porter
Commodore Engineering