gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) (09/29/86)
(I've directed followups to net.rec.drugs, which I suppose we'll have to name "talk.drugs" one of these days...) In article <1958@videovax.UUCP>, stever@videovax.UUCP (Steven E. Rice) writes: > ...public perceptions of drug abuse have been warped by the > Timothy Learys and the other prominent proponents of drugs as recreation. > Recently, the national mood has begun to shift against drug use as the > deaths of Len Bias and others great and small have shown the dangers > inherent in drugs... > the United States is beginning to face the enormity of the problem. The only serious problem with drug use is that it is illegal. It wasn't illegal in 1900 and the country survived -- and in better style than now. Isadora Duncan died from riding in a convertible with a scarf on, are you going to make convertibles and scarfs illegal because a famous person died that way? I don't gauge the "national mood" by what I read in the papers or by politicians' press releases. Talk to a few of your friends instead. Laws will come and laws will go, but drugs are here to stay. -- John Gilmore {sun,ptsfa,lll-crg,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu jgilmore@lll-crg.arpa May the Source be with you!
stever@videovax.UUCP (Steven E. Rice, P.E.) (10/01/86)
In article <3689@ism780c.UUCP>, Tim Smith (tim@ism780c.UUCP) writes: > Nearly any recreational activity is dangerous if done recklessly. Drugs > are no exception. Under proper conditions, many drugs can be very fun > and as safe as many other common, more accepted forms of recreation. > Sure, some drugs are very bad ( heroin, for example ), but many others > have reputations far worse than they deserve ( LSD, 'shrooms ). Ah, yes! The old propaganda of the late 60s and early 70s, all over again! That may play in Whistleville, but not to anyone who has seen the wreckage left by these so-called "safe" drugs. Remember Red Skelton's daughter, who stepped out a fifth-floor window while on "safe" LSD? A high-school friend of mine had LSD slipped into his beer by a so-called "friend" during the ecstatic early days of acid's popularity. The bad trip that followed landed him in Warm Springs (Montana's state mental hospital) for months. My family and I drove over periodically to see him in the hospital as he fought to recover. When my friend finally improved enough to be released, he was a shell of his former self. With his artistic abilities gone and his intellect throttled, he works at menial jobs to support himself. In article <1147@hoptoad.uucp>, John Gilmore (gnu@hoptoad.uucp) writes: > The only serious problem with drug use is that it is illegal. It wasn't > illegal in 1900 and the country survived -- and in better style than now. True, most drugs were not illegal in 1900. A rising tide of abuse led to a public outcry that resulted in their being declared illegal only a few years later. > Isadora Duncan died from riding in a convertible with a scarf on, are > you going to make convertibles and scarfs illegal because a famous > person died that way? What is the cost/benefit ratio to individuals and to our society of each activity? Why is it that teenagers (and others) regularly die on the streets of Portland of drug overdoses, yet I haven't (in the eleven years I've been here) heard of an accidental death caused by a scarf? > I don't gauge the "national mood" by what I read in the papers or by > politicians' press releases. Talk to a few of your friends instead. I have -- with results that are apparently at variance with John's latest poll. . . > Laws will come and laws will go, but drugs are here to stay. So is murder. That "drugs are here to stay" is a reason for encouraging their use??? Nice try, guys -- redirecting the conversation to net.nobody-knows-where! My request was simple. This is net.micro.amiga, whose purpose is to disseminate information about the use (and abuse) of Amigas. If you want to tell fairy stories about drugs and encourage gullible people to use them, please do it on net.rec.drugs or some other place where it belongs. When your fingers start clamoring to insert even a single line of pro-drug propaganda into an article in net.micro.amiga, show them who's boss -- JUST SAY NO!!!! Steve Rice ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- {decvax | hplabs | ihnp4 | uw-beaver}!tektronix!videovax!stever
mwm@eris.berkeley.edu (Mike Meyer) (10/03/86)
Most accurate header I've seen in a long time up there. In article <1973@videovax.UUCP> stever@videovax.UUCP (Steven E. Rice, P.E.) writes: >When your fingers start clamoring to insert even a single line of >pro-drug propaganda into an article in net.micro.amiga, show them >who's boss -- JUST SAY NO!!!! Quite correct, Steve - pro-drug commentary in net.micro.amiga is out of place. *EXACTLY* as out-of-place as anti-drug commentary in net.micro.amiga. So.... When your fingers start clamoring to insert even a single line of anti-drug propaganda into an article in net.micro.amiga, show them who's boss -- JUST SAY NO!!!! And before anyone takes me to task - yeah, this didn't belong here, either. <mike
tim@ism780c.UUCP (Tim Smith) (10/04/86)
[ Again, followups are being redirected to net.misc ] In article <1973@videovax.UUCP> stever@videovax.UUCP (Steven E. Rice, P.E.) writes: >the wreckage left by these so-called "safe" drugs. Remember Red Skelton's >daughter, who stepped out a fifth-floor window while on "safe" LSD? > I thought it was Art Linkletters daughter. Perhaps this is an urban legend? >A high-school friend of mine had LSD slipped into his beer by a so-called >"friend" during the ecstatic early days of acid's popularity. The bad If you read my posting again, you will see that I said LSD, *when* *properly* *used* is not anywhere near as bad as its reputation, and is reasonable safe. Your example is not a case of proper use. [ He is now reponding to John Gilmore ] >What is the cost/benefit ratio to individuals and to our society of each >activity? Why is it that teenagers (and others) regularly die on the >streets of Portland of drug overdoses, yet I haven't (in the eleven years >I've been here) heard of an accidental death caused by a scarf? How many deaths have you heard of from beer? Or from smoking? How can you justify these being legal and lsd and marijuana being illegal? [ He now seems to be reponding to both myself and John Gilmore ] >Nice try, guys -- redirecting the conversation to net.nobody-knows-where! Because net.micro.amiga is not the right place, as you say below. >My request was simple. This is net.micro.amiga, whose purpose is to >disseminate information about the use (and abuse) of Amigas. If you >want to tell fairy stories about drugs and encourage gullible people to >use them, please do it on net.rec.drugs or some other place where it >belongs. I used a followup-To line in my article. Why did you bring the topic back to net.micro.amiga? -- member, all HASA divisions POELOD ECBOMB -------------- ^-- Secret Satanic Message Tim Smith USENET: sdcrdcf!ism780c!tim Compuserve: 72257,3706 Delphi or GEnie: mnementh
jim@ism780c.UUCP (Jim Balter) (10/04/86)
In article <1973@videovax.UUCP> stever@videovax.UUCP (Steven E. Rice, P.E.) writes: >Ah, yes! The old propaganda of the late 60s and early 70s, all over >again! That may play in Whistleville, but not to anyone who has seen >the wreckage left by these so-called "safe" drugs. Remember Red Skelton's >daughter, who stepped out a fifth-floor window while on "safe" LSD? It was Art Linkletter. At least keep your stories straight. >Nice try, guys -- redirecting the conversation to net.nobody-knows-where! >My request was simple. This is net.micro.amiga, whose purpose is to >disseminate information about the use (and abuse) of Amigas. If you >want to tell fairy stories about drugs and encourage gullible people to >use them, please do it on net.rec.drugs or some other place where it >belongs. JimM had some throwaway line referring to drugs. You are the one who turned it into a topic. Please take your moralizing back to your *.abortion and *.christian haunts and keep it out of this group. >When your fingers start clamoring to insert even a single line of >pro-drug propaganda into an article in net.micro.amiga, show them >who's boss -- JUST SAY NO!!!! There is an interesting article over in the arms discussion digest about dogmatic and rigid personalities. Basically, if you think the words of others are propaganda but your own are not, you are mentally disfunctional. -- -- Jim Balter ({sdcrdcf!ism780c,ima}!jim)