[net.micro.amiga] VT100 and Kermit

fredc@petsd.UUCP (Fred Cassirer) (10/18/86)

Help.  I'm using DBW's VT100 terminal program and cannot get the kermit
to work.  I'm running 'C-Kermit' on system V Unix and attempting to
send files from the host to my amiga.  I've never used Kermit before and
I am probably doing something wrong.  Can someone give me a command sequence
that I should use (from both the host and from VT100) to xfer a file.

						Thanx in advance

						Fred Cassirer

P.S.  The port selector I'm using to get to the host eats ^S/^Q's to
      buffer between 9600 baud host lines and the modem's.  I used
      'set handshake none' and 'set flow-control none' and this did't
      help.  Both the host and amiga just sit there staring at each other,
      I can't even cancel out of it, I have to kill VT100 to get out.

rokicki@navajo.STANFORD.EDU (Tomas Rokicki) (10/20/86)

In article <851@petsd.UUCP>, fredc@petsd.UUCP (Fred Cassirer) writes:
> Help.  I'm using DBW's VT100 terminal program and cannot get the kermit
> to work.

I can't get it to work either.  The C-Kermit supplied on the fish
disks works fine, but the Kermit built in does not.  No packets
are getting transferred at all, so I suspect a checksum problem;
handshaking shouldn't even be required for the first packet.
I've even tried 300 baud just to be safe; still no go.

I would be more than willing to help find the problem if someone
would point me in the right direction . . .

-tom "sign me up for Dave's fan club" rokicki

feb@cblpe.UUCP (Franco Barber) (10/21/86)

In article <981@navajo.STANFORD.EDU> rokicki@navajo.STANFORD.EDU (Tomas Rokicki) writes:
>In article <851@petsd.UUCP>, fredc@petsd.UUCP (Fred Cassirer) writes:
.....
Both complain that they have not been able to get Kermit to work with
the VT100 terminal emulator program from Dave Wecker.

I just wanted to add that I downloaded the vt100 binary (V2.0 DBW 860823)
(off of Compuserve: I am sure it was out on the net, but I missed
the binary: I have found the sources on the net ) and have used this
copy of vt100 to download files using Kermit. I am using C-Kermit on
a Amdahl running system V.
The C-Kermit reports this version info:
	C-Kermit 4C(048) 24 May 85 AT&T System III/System V


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randy@bcsaic.UUCP (randy groves) (10/22/86)

In article <981@navajo.STANFORD.EDU> rokicki@navajo.STANFORD.EDU (Tomas Rokicki) writes:
>In article <851@petsd.UUCP>, fredc@petsd.UUCP (Fred Cassirer) writes:
>> Help.  I'm using DBW's VT100 terminal program and cannot get the kermit
>> to work.
>

I've had no trouble downloading files to my amiga using the kermit in VT100.
This was from an Ultrix machine using the new C-Kermit.

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hamilton@uiucuxc.CSO.UIUC.EDU (10/23/86)

danny@convex says:

> You might have to talk to a local guru about the ^S/^Q problem but
> after you've gotten arount that:
> 
> Sending From UNIX to Amiga:
> UNIX:  % kermit -s filenames
> AMIGA: File/Kermit Recieve (possibly a Utility/Change Dir first)
> 
> Sending From Amiga to UNIX:
> UNIX:  % kermit -x (enter server mode)
> AMIGA: File/Kermit Send (enter filenames)
>        File/Kermit Bye
> 
> You should be able to start the UNIX server (kermit -x) then say Kermit Get
> whatever files also....

    a minor embellishment: the amiga and unix are co-conspirators in the
NL vs CR/LF wars.  this means you can select "image" mode on both machines
and forget about file types (text/binary).  thus, i always add a "-i" to
the unix kermit command(s), and select xfermode/image in amiga vt100.

	wayne hamilton
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danny@convex.UUCP (10/23/86)

You might have to talk to a local guru about the ^S/^Q problem but after you've
gotten arount that:

Sending From UNIX to Amiga:
UNIX:  % kermit -s filenames
AMIGA: File/Kermit Recieve (possibly a Utility/Change Dir first)

Sending From Amiga to UNIX:
UNIX:  % kermit -x (enter server mode)
AMIGA: File/Kermit Send (enter filenames)
       File/Kermit Bye

You should be able to start the UNIX server (kermit -x) then say Kermit Get
whatever files also....

Dan Wallach

fredc@petsd.UUCP (Fred Cassirer) (10/24/86)

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>In article <851@petsd.UUCP>, fredc@petsd.UUCP (Fred Cassirer) writes:
>> Help.  I'm using DBW's VT100 terminal program and cannot get the kermit
>> to work.
>
>I can't get it to work either.  The C-Kermit supplied on the fish
>disks works fine, but the Kermit built in does not.  No packets
>are getting transferred at all, so I suspect a checksum problem;
>handshaking shouldn't even be required for the first packet.
>I've even tried 300 baud just to be safe; still no go.
>
>I would be more than willing to help find the problem if someone
>would point me in the right direction . . .
>
>-tom "sign me up for Dave's fan club" rokicki
>
>
First let me say thanx for the feedback, now I'm sure that my postings get
mailed to someplace besides dev/null.  

Since the posting I have gotten C-Kermit and DBW's vt100 kermit to work 
fine.  As soon as I got a direct connect line to my host everything flew.
As I suspected, the XON/XOFF that Kermit(s) is usin' was getting
swallowed by the system switch box (nts).  Nts is basically a port selector
that can buffer between different speed lines.  What happens is nts will
generate a ^S/^Q when buffering between say 9600 baud and a 1200 baud 
line.  This normally works fine, but when kermit generates one, and nts
has just issued the same one, the second one gets lost (same as doing
a ^S ^S on most systems, 1st one stops I/O, 2nd one is tossed by the 
driver).  Nts turns around and does a ^Q which starts the remote kermit
sending while the other kermit isn't listenin'.  

So the morale of the story is:  If your using a similar switch and having
trouble with your kermit(s) this could be your problem, it was mine.

While I'm here let me just say I've been using the vt100 program since
the 1st version have found very few problems with it.  I even use the
48 line interlaced feature now and then with no problems. 
    
                         Good Stuff Dave! (Got any more images?)


                                          Fred Cassirer (Fredc)

glee@cognos.UUCP (Godfrey Lee) (10/27/86)

In article <981@navajo.STANFORD.EDU> rokicki@navajo.STANFORD.EDU (Tomas Rokicki) writes:
>In article <851@petsd.UUCP>, fredc@petsd.UUCP (Fred Cassirer) writes:
>> Help.  I'm using DBW's VT100 terminal program and cannot get the kermit
>> to work.
>
>I can't get it to work either.  The C-Kermit supplied on the fish

I run C-Kermit on the SUN, and it works fine with vt100. I use 8 bits data path
and I turn on "CR LF" in xfer_mode (otherwise, I get CR at the end of each
line).

All I do is start ckermit (with defaults), and type "server", then I use
vt100's "Kermit Get" under "File" menu. Works great.

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