gds@mit-eddie.UUCP (Greg Skinner) (12/12/85)
Doug Alan proposed to me that I use mod.music to distribute the
love-hounds digest. He indicated that a lot of sites were running into
problems with the costs of forwarding the mail associated with the
digest.
I took a brief look at the content of a sample digest, and it seems to
conform to the charter of mod.music, which is reasonable discussions
about music.
I have no problems as of now with using mod.music to distribute the
digest. However I would like the opinions of others before I do this.
Please send responses to me indicating your support or rejection of this
idea, if you think the idea is bad, why, and any other solutions you
might have. If I do not receive too many opposing opinions I will start
distribution.
Your opinions are most welcome.
One word about doing summaries: due to a pressing project, my time has
become somewhat limited to do summaries. I encourage you to send
articles to me to post, though, and I will do what little summarizing I
can when I am able.
--
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under.
Greg Skinner (gregbo)
{decvax!genrad, allegra, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds
gds@mit-eddie.mit.edugds@mit-eddie.UUCP (Greg Skinner) (12/17/85)
Due to the overwhelming support for love-hounds distribution in mod.music, I have agreed to distribute it. So, without further ado ... [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 07:13:50 PST From: Jordan Hayes <jordan@ames.ARPA> Subject: Re: M+M From: H. Chai <utflis!allegra!ihnp4!utcsri!chai> The only time when I saw M+M live was in my undergrad days (daze??!) at U of Waterloo, Ontario. Too bad! I saw them in Toronto PLENTY of times at places like nuts&bolts and ... damn, I forget the names of those other places -- usta be a pretty good club scene in Toronto ... how is it these days? (daze?!?) Good enuf, I suppose, to drive up from Buffalo (which is backwards for Canajuns, since everybody from Hamilton and Toronto usually goes to Buffalo, but only because the clubs (read: you_can_drink) are open until 4am, whereas last call in Ontario is 1am ...). /jordan [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 6 Dec 85 13:46:11 EST From: Jim Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA> Subject: DAG NASTY/EMBRACE/ROS/BEEFEATER@HallofNations, Wash,DC -12/4/85 Ho, Ho, WHAT A SHOW! WHAT A PRICE! WHAT A GOOD REASON TO HAVE A BENEFIT! WHAT GOOD VIBES! WHAT (shall I dare say) FUN!!!!!! FUN?!?!?!?!!? in the 80's????? Ya gotta be kidding ... we're supposed to be serious and think about THE ISSUES! little voice speaking: but-but-but-but can't we have fun, too? big voice of God: 'course, asswipe, that's why I put you here! snide voice of the Devil: heh, heh, and that means slamdancing, boys.... BUT!!!! THERE!!! WAS!!!! NO!!!! SLAMDANCING!!!! AT!!!! A!!!! PUNK!!!! HARDCORE!!!! SHOW!!!! AND!!!! I!!!! STILL!!!! HAD!!!!FUN!!!!WWWWHHHHHAAAATTTT'SSSSS WWWRRRROOOONNNNGGG?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! Could it be that 3 of the hotthotthottest bands in DC - possibly the mid-atlantic states were in one spot at one time for 3 BUCKOS????? Could it be that . . ?????? And THE BANDS STILL PROJECTED A SOCio/Personal concern in their songs???? 2nd band was EMBRACE and they were definitely the best show there. There wasn't much stand-out playing but with Ian MacKaye at the helm you can't go wrong. He's gotta be the most together guy in the whole fucking world. He's got one of the most emotive faces this side of off-broadway ... it is accenuated by the shaved head. The faces and motions he makes remind one of those two masks used as a symbol for the theatre .. you know the one is crying and the other laughing. At other times, he looks like a Buddist Monk in deep meditation. At other times, he looks like a confused, little kid who has watched too much TV. I wanted to change places with him just for a minute to feel how cool it would be to be him. I know he'd probably think I'm bonkers but if I only could ... They have a great lineup of songs, with titles like "No More Pain", "You are not really free while others are captive", and "What can I do?". When Ian sings this last song he strives to make eye contact with the audience and when his eyes touch mine, I mouthed back "What can I do?" - a momentary twinkle appeared in his eye as he kept on singing. If you want to know really, what you can do ya gotta start asking yourself that question. For that moment caught in revalation, my wish came true and we traded places. Thank you Ian. The show was at the hall of nations in DC caddycorner to the house that was used in the Exorcist ... so between sets what you do is find someone dressed like the Excorcist (like every 5th girl) and get her to stand out in front of the house then charge passerbys for pictures. No one took me up on it, though. And with all the gullible fuck-nazi-yuppies that infest the bars across the street I was suprised (... something to do for fun: Try and get a beer in this section of town while wearing a Tragic Mullato T--shirt and Army boots) What is REALLY neat about this house is the steps right next to the house, y'know where the priest fell down and had his head turned around by the devil. As we (me and a friend) approached these steps a bright red head appeared coming up ... we momentarily jumped and hugged each other but it was only a jogger. Look down these steps and it reminds you first of the movie, second of a frame from an Alfred Hitchcock flick (Vertigo, perhaps). Needless to say, the Hall of Nations is a Kool place to see a band. The other bands, quick, cuz I talked too much alread where: Dag Nasty - this was the band I DIDN't include on the hothothotest band list I talked about previously. Maybe I gotta get familar with their tunes more or something but this was one of the bands where everything started sounding the same ... we left in the middle of the set to go find some coffee so I can't really vouch for all their songs. Rites of Spring - just don't sound as clear and good as their vinyl but I think this was due more to a lousy sound man (he kept on letting the most obnoxious between song feedback to come through). They did a lot of songs that aren't on the album so I give them high marks for taking chances. I think I'll like the songs if I can hear them more clearly. Beefeater - headlined. Fun band, this time I really felt the Minutemen spirit in their songs. Tomas pretty much kept his mouth shut since there really wasn't anyone there that was worth insulting and he just didn't feel like ranting. Maybe he had to go to work the next day like me, I dunno. Fred, the guitarist, was having fun with the feedback, using it pretty much to his advantage. The bassist is tops, can really cook and the drummer was playing, like, real fast ... the double bass set (which I rarely see among bands these days) let him do a lotta 16th rhythms giving this band a true heartbeat, one of the real pluses of this "family" of bands - true heartfelt, emotion ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Oh, MR Eggman, I Lawwve you" - Edith Massey in Pink Flamingos ------------------------------------------------------------------------ hofmann P.S. Kate Bush ... [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 11:56:28 EST From: Jim Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA> Subject: SUE! Post it, please! Sue Trowbridge, there is no excuse for you leaving the rest of the love-hounders out on your wonderful review of the Vega/McGuinn concert unless you don't have it on your file system. There are many Vega fans on this list! Also your Wall Of Voodoo review rates 'spesh given the much-o bad attitude towards this wonderful little group after their one big hit. hofmann [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 14:00:53 est From: hound!hejira Subject: Jer's leaving .. net.music Sorry you have to leave jer... I have another idea: How about posting love-hounds.digest to net.music? This would be a lot less painful for those maniacs who can't seem to reach the "n" key on their keyboards (than reading all love-hound messages individually). Doug would --no doubt-- be FLAMED constantly for either approach, but he seems to be thick-skinned enough to withstand it. Another idea might be to send the digest in a compressed form each day and allow each reader to expand it. Are other people having problems? - Rob Preston <ihnp4!hound!hejira -- AT&T Bell Labs> "The watchful ones among the slaves Know that all that's genuine will be Scorned and Conned and cast away." (Joni) [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 15:26:20 est From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Suzanne Vega interview, Kate Bush interview, Hot Press > From: Jim Hofmann > Sue Trowbridge, there is no excuse for you leaving the rest of the > love-hounders out on your wonderful review of the Vega/McGuinn concert > unless you don't have it on your file system. Not to mention your interview with her! I want to see it! (What? You want to see my interview with Kate.... Okay, I'm working on it. I'm still trying to unpack from my trip to England and find the cable I need to copy the tape. Be a little patient.) There is a *wonderful* interview with Kate in the 21 Nov 85 issue of Hot Press (Kate is the cover story). Unfortunately, it is an Irish music paper, so it may be a bit difficult to find in the U.S. I picked up some copies while England. Apparently a lot of KB fans didn't like the interview (there's some hate mail in the 5 Dec 85 issue) because the interviewer asks some unusual and awkward questions that force Kate to reveal some of her weaknesses. But I thought that was great, because the interviewer is clearly a fan and because it shows a lot about about how she thinks, and indicates that to a large extent she manipulates images on a more unconscious level than one might think. I also got a bunch of really nice photos of Kate that I took at the Tower Records in-store. Too bad I can't include them in this message. "Under the ivy" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 7 Dec 85 14:34:06 est From: Tim Wicinski <wicinski@nrl-css.arpa> Subject: DCoids and other people - LISTEN UP !! The man behind it all, Robert Fripp, is taking his school on the road. Being called "Robert Fripp and the League of Craft Guitarists" they will be playing two shows next weekend, the 14th and 15th. It's subtitled "an acoustical performance for 18 guitars". From what i have heard, this might be some assemblance of a small tour. In any case I have my tickets !!! ti [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 6 Dec 85 17:19:01 est From: Tim Wicinski <wicinski@nrl-css.arpa> Subject: volcano suns, city paper, jesus and mary chain saw volcano suns last nite. talk about good a good band, these guys could play. they didn't come until late due to the first band, skinny puppy. They were another Bauhaus clones/depression from a bottle of valium band. Everyone (including the Suns) were unimpressed. Susan, I searched the City Paper looking for your article, but found your name nowhere. Is this because the Baltimore CP is different ?? Please explain. If JaMC are anything like skinny puppy, I'll thnk I'll pass people. I have a radio show to do at 3am. I enjoy my sleep !!! Think of a Burma-esque version of "1999" ....Volcano Suns encore !!! I would post a review of the show, but certain geek-oids at amsaa (to remain shamelessly nameless) would be offended by it. Therefore for a review of the show check out your nearest food co-op. later [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: <bdmrrr!potomac!jsl> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 17:02:28 est From: bdmrrr!potomac!jsl@seismo.CSS.GOV (John Labovitz) Subject: Jesus and Mary Chain & Peach of Immortality (review) Bands: Peach of Immortality Jesus and Mary Chain Place: 9:30 Club, DC Time: 8pm (hahahahahaha...) Summary: Pretty bad Ok. I get there at 8:30 cuz they're supposed to start at 8, and the 9:30club is real bad about starting on time. Also, the Washington Post had some cryptic remark about `get there early, because they disappear after 20 minutes.' So I go in, get my hand stamped, and I find out that they are still doing the sound check. This is usually a sure sign that the show will be at least an hour late. I got real sick of watching DeathRockers and stupid people drinking and havin' a good old time, so I leave for a while. I walked around the block and watched the silly yuppies at Ford Theatre (yes, where ol' Abe was shot). Finally the doors opened and I sat around watching videos and people. They were showing `Apocalypse Now' on the monitors, which is not the most uplifting thing to watch, especially when you're already pissed off because you've been waiting for 45 minutes already. So Peach of Immortality finally come on at 10 or so. I saw these guys a year and a half ago, and they were pretty awful. Well, they've gotten worse. They are a noise/industrial band, but not nearly as interesting as folks like Einsturzende Neubaten. These guys (Peach of I) have *no* rhythm, just a lot of feedback guitars and a guy working a couple of tape decks. I stood around for 10 minutes to see if maybe they'd get interesting, but they didn't, so I left. I walked around some more, came back in, sat in the lobby, went back inside the club, stood around watching more stupid videos... Now it's getting to be like midnite... Jesus and Mary Chain finally appear. They start into their set right away. I really hadn't heard any of their stuff, so I wasn't sure what exactly to expect. I guess they are OK, but nothing to get really excited about. I must admit, I was standing in the corner and couldn't understand any of the words, so maybe the words are what everyone's excited about. Basically, the band is: a guy on vocals, a bassist, guitarist, and standup drummer. One major problem with this band is that they have *no* stage presence whatsoever. They are *boring* to watch. The singer just stands there and sings. The bassist has his back to the audience. The guitarist sits on the floor because he's got to get the guitar close to the amp to feedback. The drummer doesn't move. The other problem is that they are not very good musicians. I'm the last one to criticize someone because they don't play exceedingly well, but it's difficult to see how this band has gotten as popular as they are. The bassist plays mainly on one string, the guitarist basically strums the chords and lets the feedback run amok (I love that phrase -- run amok), and the drummer plays the same beat thru the whole show. They only played 45 minutes, and never said `thank you' or `hello' or `goodbye.' They were in the middle of a song, and the singer went over to the drummer and said something, and then walked off the stage. Then the rest of the band stopped and walked off. Right away a roadie came on and started taking down the equipment. I'd be interested in hearing from other people who've seen them. Sue, did you go? John Labovitz ..!{rlgvax,seismo}!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl -- Me and my girl named Bimbo Limbo Spam -- Cap'n Beefheart [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 18:44:26 est From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Jesus and the Mary Chain, etc. I'm not sure what the big deal about Jesus and the Mary Chain is either. I haven't heard much of their stuff, but everything I have heard of theirs sounds like a normal 60's pop song with feedback and the sound of a blender added. Gee, even I could take a 60's pop song and add a blender. I hear that recently they've gotten rid of the blender. So what's left of interest? Then again, like I said, I haven't heard much of their stuff, so maybe I'm just missing something. I saw one of their videos when I was in England, on one of these video jukeboxes they have in pubs there. It wasn't very exciting. A video called "Legs" by Art Of Noise was really neat, however. Mostly, though, I was there to watch the video for "Cloudbusting" three or four times.... Now that is awesome! Anyone seen it on Empty-V yet? -Doug P.S. I went to EMI in London and they gave me a promo video for Cloudbusting, but I can't watch it because I don't have a PAL VCR. Maybe someday..... [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 19:32:52 est From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Groovy Decoy So, does anyone know how "Groovy Decoy", Robyn Hitchcock's new album is related to "Groovy Decay", his first album. By looking at the sleeve in the record store at least some of the songs are the same. Grooving on an inner plane, Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 22:50:25 EST From: hsut@purdue-ecn.ARPA (Tsun-Yuk Hsu) Really-from: Bill Hsu I'll be in Berkeley and the Bay Area from about Dec 18 to Jan 6. Are there any concerts I absolutely HAVE to see? What cool places are there to hit? (besides Rasputin's and all the comic shops on Telegraph in Berkeley, which I visit every chance I get...) [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 8 Dec 85 16:33:59 PST From: David Fetrow <allegra!uw-beaver!entropy!fetrow> Posted-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 85 16:33:59 PST Subject: Re: Love-Hounds Digest Subject: Wierd cartoonists There is another mag that has both Lynda Barry and 'Life in Hell', The Rocket. It may be interesting to note that both Ms. Barry and Gary Anderson live in Seattle (although Barry lives 1/2 time in France). It is also interesting that they both spent much of their childhood in Tacoma before moving to Seattle. This move (roughly equivelent to moving from Independence, Missouri to a cross between Mayberry and San Fransisco) may have been the cause for their skewed outlook on life. -- "Daphnia Dave" Fetrow P.S. The Rocket is a local (Seattle) publication with its offices just off of Skid Road. It's writers double on a local comedy show shown on Sunday nights...a family comedy show. They go back to work Monday revewing Dead Kennedys or "Diactic Materialism and the work of Dylon, its Relation to the Rocky Horror Picture Show". This town has a lot of flexible people in it. [][][][][][][][][][] From: umcp-cs!aplcen!uucp@seismo.CSS.GOV Return-Path: <umcp-cs!aplcen!uucp> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 85 01:33:41 EST >From ins_aset@jhunix Mon Dec 9 16:22:42 1985 remote from jhunix Date: Mon, 9 Dec 85 16:22:34 EST From: Susanne E Trowbridge <ins_aset@jhunix> To: love-hounds%mit-eddie.arpa@seismo.UUCP Subject: <*><$><*> >Can someone provide a Jesus and Mary Chain discography? "Upside Down" - first single on Creation Records. 7" format only. "Never Understand" - 7"/12", Blanco y Negro Records. "You Trip Me Up" - 7"/12", Blanco y Negro. "Just Like Honey" - 7"/12", Blanco y Negro. "Psycho Candy" - LP, Blanco y Negro. I saw the J&M C last night in DC, and boy, were they AWFUL! Talk about boring, pretentious, and obviously very full of themselves. That didn't stop me from buying "Psycho Candy" this morning, but the live show was a dud. For the full report, I'm afraid you will have to check out my lengthy review in net.music. >Anybody know more about Foetus other than Foetus is a word that appears in the title of a bunch of weirdcord albums? Foetus is a maniac, a bizarre genius. Foetus, a.k.a. Clint Ruin, a.k.a. Jim Thirwell, has produced two albums as Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel ("Hole," the just-released "Nail") and lots of 12"s under names like Foetus Uber Frisco, You've Got Foetus On Your Breath, and many more. He has also released a box (that's right, a box). I actually met this person in New York a month ago, so I know he really exists. I recommend "Hole" to everybody who feels a little twisted at times...In sum, if Clint weren't making all these records, he'd probably be a mass murderer. The music itself (oh yeah, the music) is often quite funky ("Today I Started Slogging Again") or 60s influenced ("Satan Place") or just plain weird. Ya just gotta hear it, folks! >In last week's _NOW_, the cover was Ms Bush with the caption "Kate Bush Breaks Out." Too bad! I should have sent some Oxy 10 for Doug to give to her :-) -Sue [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@mit-eddie.mit.edu