[mod.rec.guns] BATF: If These Guys Were Intelligent, They'd Be Dangerous

jkh@jade.BERKELEY.EDU (Jordan K. Hubbard) (10/23/86)

To: voder!ucbopal!jkh


Article: 10:39

I'm a firearms dealer, and the most recent publication from the 
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had me rolling on the floor
with laughter.

There are a number of minor differences between he Colt AR-15 lower 
receiver and the M-16 lower receiver to discourage dropping the M-16
parts in place and building an automatic rifle.  (Not to say it can't
be done -- it's just not so obvious that any fool can do it.)

There are a number of companies that manufacture lower receivers that
are like the M-16 -- not the AR-15.  Until recently, I wasn't sure 
which lower receiver would accept the M-16 parts, and what M-16 parts
were necessary to build a full auto AR-15.  Those wonderful people at
BATF have solved the problem.  (Which is not to say that I would actually
BUILD one -- it's just nice to know how.)

The most recent newsletter sent to dealers tells you, "Don't install
the following M-16 parts in the AR-15-type lower receivers manufactured
by the following companies, or you will illegally build a machine gun."
And then they list the companies that manufacture such lower receivers,
then list the M-16 parts needed, complete with drawings of the M-16
parts, and how they differ from the AR-15 parts.

Also, I can't seem to get a path to Gary Traveis.  Please have him give
me a call at (415) 965-7020 x113.

Remember: If you are in the Bay Area: rifles, shotguns, or bulk 
ammunition -- e-mail me and I will give you a very friendly price.

Clayton E. Cramer

jkh@jade.BERKELEY.EDU (Jordan K. Hubbard) (10/27/86)

To: voder!ucbopal!jkh


Article: 10:43

I'm a firearms dealer, and the most recent publication from the 
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had me rolling on the floor
with laughter.

There are a number of minor differences between he Colt AR-15 lower 
receiver and the M-16 lower receiver to discourage dropping the M-16
parts in place and building an automatic rifle.  (Not to say it can't
be done -- it's just not so obvious that any fool can do it.)

There are a number of companies that manufacture lower receivers that
are like the M-16 -- not the AR-15.  Until recently, I wasn't sure 
which lower receiver would accept the M-16 parts, and what M-16 parts
were necessary to build a full auto AR-15.  Those wonderful people at
BATF have solved the problem.  (Which is not to say that I would actually
BUILD one -- it's just nice to know how.)

The most recent newsletter sent to dealers tells you, "Don't install
the following M-16 parts in the AR-15-type lower receivers manufactured
by the following companies, or you will illegally build a machine gun."
And then they list the companies that manufacture such lower receivers,
then list the M-16 parts needed, complete with drawings of the M-16
parts, and how they differ from the AR-15 parts.

Also, I can't seem to get a path to Gary Traveis.  Please have him give
me a call at (415) 965-7020 x113.

Remember: If you are in the Bay Area: rifles, shotguns, or bulk 
ammunition -- e-mail me and I will give you a very friendly price.

Clayton E. Cramer

jkh@jade.BERKELEY.EDU (Jordan K. Hubbard) (11/01/86)

In-Reply-To: <1531@jade.BERKELEY.EDU>


Article: 10:58

Clayton

Just out of curiosity, from where would one get copies of the news-
letter which you referenced in your article (see Atch)?

Happy hunting.

		Kurt F. Sauer
		Oklahoma City OK


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>The most recent newsletter sent to dealers tells you, "Don't install
>the following M-16 parts in the AR-15-type lower receivers manufactured
>by the following companies, or you will illegally build a machine gun."
>And then they list the companies that manufacture such lower receivers,
>then list the M-16 parts needed, complete with drawings of the M-16
>parts, and how they differ from the AR-15 parts.
>
>Clayton E. Cramer
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