jsq@ut-sally.UUCP (John Quarterman) (09/25/85)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 85 09:49:44 pdt From: aps@decwrl.ARPA (Armando P. Stettner) To: jsq@ut-sally.ARPA Cc: std-unix@ut-sally.ARPA Hi John. What are the chances of getting onto this committee and/or getting copies so as to participate in the review?? aps. [ As I understand it, there are two groups: the working group, and the balloting group. The working group is the one which prepares the various drafts. The balloting group is the one which votes on whether the drafts become any sort of standard (trial use or other). There is a fair amount of intersection between the two groups. I am in both the balloting and the working groups as the representative of USENIX. (Those of you who want to influence the USENIX vote on the trial use standard, do let me know what you think I should do. Though the actual vote will be cast at the direction of the USENIX board, I hope to inform them of any opinions of the membership.) DEC is already represented on both groups, so the easiest way for you to get copies of things would probably be to get them from DEC's representative. I will send you his address and that of the chair. I believe to get onto the working group you have to contact the chair of the committee. To get onto the balloting group you probably have to be sent by a participating organization which IEEE has approved. Could someone on the committee who knows more about the details of this sort of thing please post a pocket summary to the newsgroup? -mod ] Volume-Number: Volume 2, Number 7
jsq@ut-sally.UUCP (John Quarterman) (10/01/85)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 85 08:43:26 cdt
From: topaz!packard!ihnp4!uiucdcs!ccvaxa!willcox (David A Willcox)
To: uiucdcs.CS.UIUC.EDU!std-unix
John -
I just thought I would respond to the note on who can be in the working
and balloting groups. If you don't get any other responses, you can
edit and/or summarize this and post it. This is all my understanding
of the rules, but I am pretty sure they are accurate.
[ This is the most informative response I've gotten, so I'm posting it. -mod ]
The Working Group consists of whoever shows up for a meeting. There is
no requirement of sponsorship by any organization - you don't need to
belong to any organization, nor do you need to be a corporate rep. Of
course, someone, probably your employer, needs to pay transporation,
lodging, etc. There is a rule which CAN be invoked at the request of
anyone at the meeting which limits participation (in the "concensus
process") to those who have attended at least two of the previous three
meetings. This is to prevent any one organization or locality from
"stuffing the ballot box" at any particular meeting. The rule has
never been invoked.
[ Perhaps it's worth remarking that the Working Group is already quite
large and somewhat unwieldy: fifty people came to the last meeting. -mod ]
The Ballotting Group is, itself, divided into two groups, the quorum
group and (I guess it would be called) the non-quorum group. It would
require going into more detail about the balloting process than is
appropriate for this news group to explain the difference between
these. The major differences are that those in the quorum group
1) Must be a member of either IEEE or the IEEE Computer
Society.
2) Can vote either "yes" or "no", and
3) Will get phone calls late at night if they don't return
their ballots.
Those in the non-quorum group.
1) Needn't be a member of anything. (Needn't even be employed.)
2) Can only vote "no", and
3) No one but they care if their ballots are returned.
To be a member of either, request a form from Jim Isaak (John - you have his
address). It'd better be SOON, since balloting should start in
December.
[ The address is:
James Isaak
Chairperson, IEEE/CS P1003
Charles River Data Systems
983 Concord St.
Framingham, MA 01701
(decvax!frog!jim)
As others have pointed out, there is also a mailing list for interested
parties, who get copies of the drafts but do not otherwise have to
participate. Requests to get on that list should go to the above address.
-mod ]
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Volume-Number: Volume 2, Number 9