[mod.politics] welfare and SS

hank.walker@UNH.CS.CMU.EDU (08/06/86)

To: KFL%MX.LCS.MIT.EDU@mc.lcs.mit.edu

By the high black teenage unemployment rate I meant that the teenage
fathers didn't have any money to support their kids anyway.  This was
obvious when watching a few TV specials on unwed teenage mothers.
These guys may be amazingly irresponsible, but the only money they
have seems to come from dealing drugs.

In general the amount of money obtained from child support is usually
substantially higher than that provided by welfare.  The problem in
the past has been for the mother, lacking resources, to fight the
legal battle to get the fater to pay (the case of the mother having
money and the father having custody is rare enough that we will
neglect it here).  I know divorced mothers, and every one of them who
wasn't getting their full child support was fighting to get it, not
sitting around on welfare.

By "retirement age" I actually meant the age that Social Security
starts paying full benefits, minus whatever factor is used when you
have other income.  The age is scheduled to increase, in order to hold
down the number of Baby Boomers receiving benefits at any one time.
The Social Security system is not a Ponzi scheme, but an income
transfer system, just like welfare.  The difference is that your
benefits are determined by your income, rather than need.  The amount
of the GNP going to the system is a political decision.  If benefits
are rising too fast, the rules are changed to limit them, as has been
done.  If taxes aren't high enough to provide the desired benefit
levels, then taxes are raised, as they have been.

Those who retired in the past got back way more than they would have
by investing their money, unless they investment was fantastic.  That
obviously could not go on forever, and future retirees will do worse
than private savings, since at best they will be getting Treasury Bond
interest rates.

My point on future productivity is that over time the average number
of years worked has decreased, through earlier retirement, and longer
schooling.  But these trends only consume a factor of 2 or 4 increase
in productivity.  Beyond that, you have to really live like the filthy
rich, or reduce your work hours, in order to blow all the money.
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