roy@WAIKATO.SCRC.Symbolics.COM (07/01/85)
From: Roy Harkow <roy@WAIKATO.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> So much Dead flaming this morning; I'll just send a lot of replies in 1 mail message. Josepi: You're right: Smokestack was 9/9 in Worcester. The two Dylan songs are indeed called "She Belongs to Me" (from Bringing it All Back Home, I believe) and "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" (from Highway 61). I don't believe that either version is "wonderful"; in fact, the former is a typical Jerry-show "take a leak and buy a beer between notes" number, and I feel that fans are gonna get sick of it as soon as the novelty wears off. As for Tom Thumb's, I know all the words and STILL have trouble understanding what Phil's singing! Friends often discuss the subject of what makes a hot show. I did most of this spring's East tour and I met a guy in Philly who agreed with me about every show we'd ever seen, with the exception that he loved Portland this tour & I and most my friends thought they were the 2 weak shows! What's weirder is that many times the people sitting around you will have totally differing opinions immediately after the show! I think it's integrally connected to the type and amount of drugs you've done! Have you ever had a good trip and heard a less than wonderful show??? Jeff Haferman: Lots of discussion about song names. For example, is "Sunshine Daydream" an actual separate song? And you might have been privy to the recent "Cryptical Envelopement" brouhaha. Well, I can understand the mistake of calling "I used to Love Her" -> "She used to Love Me", but how the hell-in-a-bucket did you EVER come up with "Stumble and Fall"?????????
wimp@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Jeff Haferman) (07/05/85)
> Jeff Haferman: Lots of discussion about song names. For example, > is "Sunshine Daydream" an actual separate song? And you might have been > privy to the recent "Cryptical Envelopement" brouhaha. Well, I can > understand the mistake of calling "I used to Love Her" -> "She used to > Love Me", but how the hell-in-a-bucket did you EVER come up with > "Stumble and Fall"????????? Somebody has already answered the first question: > I don't think its a separate song (title?), its just that they don't always > finish with it from Sugar Magnolia ....sooooo ya need a way to mark your > tape boxes so you know they remembered to finish it that night. And yes, I have heard the "Cryptical Envelopment"/"The Other One" stuff ten times over. I will always call this song "The Other One" even though it has been copyrighted under the name "Cryptical Envelopment." The Dead call it "The Other One" on their Skullfuck album (which you can call 'Skull and Roses' or 'Grateful Dead Live 2 l.p. Set' if you wish). As for 'Stumble and Fall,' that's what I always call it just because that's what I was told its name was when I first heard it. There is a portion of the song that contains the words 'stumble and fall.' I even mark it that way on cassettes. Does a studio version of this one exist anywhere? If so, what is it called on the album? Anyway, there are a lot of Dead songs that go by several names. Another common one is 'Peggy-O,' the real name (or so I've been told) is 'Fennario.' As long as we understand each other when we refer to songs, I think we can allow for these differences in titles. Jeff "What Shall We Say, Shall We Call It By a Name?" --from 'Weather Report Suite, part II' (otherwise known as 'Let It Grow')