lkk@teddy.UUCP (07/31/85)
Here's a naive question: There are a number of Dead songs which in my mind sound VERY similar. such as: IKO IKO - Women Are Smarter and I Know You Rider - Morning Dew. Are these the same songs, with different lyrics, or are they just similar? Also, are there any others like this? -- Sport Death, Larry Kolodney (USENET) ...decvax!genrad!teddy!lkk (INTERNET) lkk@mit-mc.arpa
zben@umd5.UUCP (08/01/85)
In article <1063@teddy.UUCP> lkk@teddy.UUCP writes: >There are a number of Dead songs which in my mind sound >VERY similar. such as: >IKO IKO - Women Are Smarter >and >I Know You Rider - Morning Dew. >Are these the same songs, with different lyrics, >or are they just similar? I don't claim to be a killer musician, but I was in a Dead sound-alike band back in '74-'75. The songs you mention are just similar enough to kill you if you don't watch out. There are subtle rhythm differances, and just where you change chords differs. Aiko Aiko and Women Are Smarter are both one-part two-chord songs, with the basic pattern ABBA. Morning Dew has pattern AABB while Know You Rider has pattern AAB - note the difference in the number of times you play phrase B here. Twice for Morning Dew: "Can't walk you out in the morning dew my honey" is the first B, "Can't walk you out in the morning dew today" is the second. In Know You Rider the single B part is: "Gonna miss your baby from rollin' in your arms". The chords for part B also differ. Assume the key of D, then part A has chords D D C G D D D D. In Know You Rider the single part B has F C F C D D D D, while Morning Dew has two copies of F F C G D D D D. Aiko Aiko and Women Are Smarter are MUCH more similar than Morning Dew and Know You Rider... Actually, split the notation so there are eight letters to a part, and both AA and WAS have pattern: AAABBBBA. Use the A chord for part A and the E chord for part B and it's the chord pattern too... My neighbors are probably boiling the tar and plucking the feathers right now for my playing my guitar enough to generate this information at five o'clock in the morning... :-) -- Ben Cranston ...{seismo!umcp-cs,ihnp4!rlgvax}!cvl!umd5!zben zben@umd2.ARPA
ejd@petrus.UUCP (Ed J. Donofrio) (08/02/85)
> There are a number of Dead songs which in my mind sound > VERY similar. such as: > > Also, are there any others like this? > Okay now I'm confused. Who was at Hershey Park? I just got my issue of the Golden Road (I thoroughly enjoy when it arrives) and I have a question about the set list that they posted. There is a song that sounds identical to Minglewood Blues. When I was at Hershey I knew alot of people thought it was, but I knew differently. However some people outside told me the name of this tune was "Ain't Superstitious". Now I really feel stupid for walking into the Nassau Coliseum show late on 3/29/85, but I missed Ain't Superstitious. When I asked what the first two songs were I was told that the second one was a song called Ain't Superstitious that sounded alot like Minglewood. My new issue of the Golden Road states that the song at Hershey was called "Down in the Bottom", and that one sounded almost identical to Minglewood with different words. Can someone clarify if indeed both of these songs are similiar? This isn't a case of two names for the same song is it? Help? --Ed Donofrio ps interesting stuff on this net as of lately, keep it up!
wimp@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Jeff Haferman) (08/05/85)
> There is a song that sounds identical to Minglewood Blues. > When I was at Hershey I knew alot of people thought it was, but I knew > differently. However some people outside told me the name of this tune > was "Ain't Superstitious". Now I really feel stupid for walking into > the Nassau Coliseum show late on 3/29/85, but I missed Ain't Superstitious. > When I asked what the first two songs were I was told that the second > one was a song called Ain't Superstitious that sounded alot like > Minglewood. My new issue of the Golden Road states that the song at > Hershey was called "Down in the Bottom", and that one sounded almost > identical to Minglewood with different words. Can someone clarify if > indeed both of these songs are similiar? This isn't a case of two names > for the same song is it? Help? Well, this might clear it up some, but now I'm a bit confused also. I heard "Ain't Superstitious" for the first time at the 3/29 Nassau show and thought it sounded very much like "Minglewood." However, I was at the 6/21 Alpine show and THOUGHT I heard "Ain't Superstitous" played as the second song of the first set. But the Golden Road has recorded this song in their set lists as "Down in the Bottom." Now, since I've never heard "Down in the Bottom," I can't say whether they're right. But I do know that whatever tune was played at Alpine, the words "Ain't Superstitious" were part of the lyrics. In the Winter '85 issue of The Golden Road (p. 33), we find some history on both "Down in the Bottom" and "I Ain't Superstitious." It seems that BOTH tunes were written by Willie Dixon and originally recorded by Howlin' Wolf. So it appears that they are distinct songs, but what similarities/differences are there between the two? Also, the description in The Golden Road contains an interesting line: Wolf's "Down in the Bottom" doesn't quite echo "Minglewood" the way the Dead's lone version (11-3-84) did, but Weir and Co. did capture its spirit effectively. So I guess the Dead do make it sound similar to "Minglewood". Any clues? Jeff Haferman
roy@WAIKATO.SCRC.Symbolics.COM (08/08/85)
From: Roy Harkow <roy@WAIKATO.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
Date: Sun, 4-Aug-85 14:29:40 PDT
From: ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!wimp@UCB-Vax.ARPA (Jeff Haferman)
> There is a song that sounds identical to Minglewood Blues.
> When I was at Hershey I knew alot of people thought it was, but I knew
> differently. However some people outside told me the name of this tune
> was "Ain't Superstitious". Now I really feel stupid for walking into
> the Nassau Coliseum show late on 3/29/85, but I missed Ain't Superstitious.
> When I asked what the first two songs were I was told that the second
> one was a song called Ain't Superstitious that sounded alot like
> Minglewood. My new issue of the Golden Road states that the song at
> Hershey was called "Down in the Bottom", and that one sounded almost
> identical to Minglewood with different words. Can someone clarify if
> indeed both of these songs are similiar? This isn't a case of two names
> for the same song is it? Help?
Well, this might clear it up some, but now I'm a bit confused also.
I heard "Ain't Superstitious" for the first time at the 3/29 Nassau
show and thought it sounded very much like "Minglewood." However, I was
at the 6/21 Alpine show and THOUGHT I heard "Ain't Superstitous" played as
the second song of the first set. But the Golden Road has recorded this song
in their set lists as "Down in the Bottom." Now, since I've never heard
"Down in the Bottom," I can't say whether they're right. But I do know that
whatever tune was played at Alpine, the words "Ain't Superstitious" were part
of the lyrics.
In the Winter '85 issue of The Golden Road (p. 33), we find some history
on both "Down in the Bottom" and "I Ain't Superstitious." It seems that BOTH
tunes were written by Willie Dixon and originally recorded by Howlin' Wolf.
So it appears that they are distinct songs, but what similarities/differences
are there between the two? Also, the description in The Golden Road contains
an interesting line:
Wolf's "Down in the Bottom" doesn't quite echo "Minglewood"
the way the Dead's lone version (11-3-84) did, but Weir and
Co. did capture its spirit effectively.
So I guess the Dead do make it sound similar to "Minglewood".
Any clues?
Jeff Haferman
Also, is there any difference between "Ain't Superstitious" and "Running
Shoes"?lefko@leadsv.UUCP (Martin Lefkowitz) (08/19/85)
Meet me at the Bottom (bring me my running shoes) and I Ain't superstitous are two different songs. Our dislexic hero Mr. Weir has weived these two songs together at times into a confusing mess. If your standing right under him while he sings it I hope your wearing a hat of some sort because he spews saliva out in the cubic feet per second range. That is why the pit crew calls it "The Backwash Bobby Blues, Meet me in the Bottle."