dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) (03/11/85)
What is the licensing status of Berkeley (4.1) software on
Edition VII? Obviously 4.1 tools are allowed to be run on
Edition VII, because we have vi, csh, curses and various
/usr/ucb goodies. But there are other such goodies (e.g.,
Mail, last, fmt) which don't come with Edition VII. If
one has access to 4.1 source from elsewhere, could one assume
that the compiling of such source under Edition VII would
be OK, since other parts of BSD are there? Or would the compilation
and supply have to be done by a P-E Corp. site?
(I asked our local sales rep, and he told me there would be
no problem using BSD source from another site, but I'm not
sure he understands the problem.)
Dave Sherman
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{allegra decvax ihnp4 linus}!utcsri!lsuc!daveearlw@pesnta.UUCP (Earl Wallace ) (03/12/85)
If you have a 5.2 source license from AT&T (not from Sears!), you can pass
licensed source around like it was water. P-E to P-E, P-E to Customer, P-E to
DEC, DEC to Data General, Customer to Customer, etc. Thats how AT&T feels
about it. There was some discussion on the net about BSD source and the
general feeling is that you need a 5.2 AT&T license. period. The code in
BSD was written from tax payer's pockets and thus falls into the public domain
and the rest of the code is from AT&T. BUT! You can not generate a BSD binary
and give/sell it to a customer without some sort of royalty arangement with
AT&T. So, the bottom line is source can be exchanged between sites with the
proper source licenses from AT&T but binaries fall under royalties.
If I have a 4.2uucp running on an Edition VII system, I can not give a binary
of it to any one since it is not covered in the royalty arangement with AT&T,
but I can give the source to the 4.2uucp to a 5.2 source site.
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Earl Wallace (pesnta!earlw) writes: ||If you have a 5.2 source license from AT&T (not from Sears!), you can pass ||licensed source around like it was water. P-E to P-E, P-E to Customer, P-E to ||DEC, DEC to Data General, Customer to Customer, etc. Thats how AT&T feels ||about it. There was some discussion on the net about BSD source and the ||general feeling is that you need a 5.2 AT&T license. period. The code in ||BSD was written from tax payer's pockets and thus falls into the public domain ||and the rest of the code is from AT&T. But 4.1BSD certainly wasn't developed from System V at all, since it predates System V. We have a System III license. If a Sys V.2 license would entitle me to use 4.2BSD source, should not a Sys III source license entitle me to use BSD source which was derived from v7? Dave Sherman -- {utzoo pesnta nrcaero utcs hcr}!lsuc!dave {allegra decvax ihnp4 linus}!utcsri!lsuc!dave
earlw@pesnta.UUCP (Earl Wallace ) (03/12/85)
I would guess that a version 7 source license is all thats needed for 4.1BSD
and a System V license (or maybe III) for 4.2BSD and 4.3BSD.
It all depends on what bits and pieces of AT&T code are in the final release.
You progress from Version 6, 7, System III, V, etc. with each higher level
source license emcompassing all the lower levels. If a single bit of System III
code is in a version 7 kernel, you must have a System III license, its just that
simple. Maybe not, maybe we will never know until some poor jerk lands
him/herself in court and we see how the court decides. I don't want to be that
jerk.
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USMAIL: Perkin-Elmer Corp., Santa Clara, Calif. 95054kre@mulga.OZ (Robert Elz) (03/12/85)
In article <2693@pesnta.UUCP> earlw@pesnta.UUCP (Earl Wallace)) writes: | I would guess that a version 7 source license is all thats needed for 4.1BSD | and a System V license (or maybe III) for 4.2BSD and 4.3BSD. | | It all depends on what bits and pieces of AT&T code are in the final release. You need a 32V (or better) licence for 3BSD 4BSD 4.1BSD and 4.2BSD. There's no doubt about that - that's all that you need in order to get any of those systems from Berkeley (or more correctly, all that you needed at the time in the past when Berkeley would send you one of those systems). I'm not certain about 4.3BSD yet, but I suspect (from the nature of the release - its mosty a "fixed up" 4.2) that a 32V licence will be enough for that too. On the assumption that Berkeley keep doing new releases (which is a BIG assumption), one of these days you are going to need a better licence than 32V, and the licence that's needed will probably be the latest AT&T one at that time. Most of the utilities would be covered by a v7 licence, the kernel isn't. "Better" licences include Sys III, Sys V, Sys V.2, and Sys V.2+paging. (One day I will understand AT&T's number scheme ...) What all this means, is that if lsuc has a Sys III source licence, then any current Berkeley code is available to them.