pozar@well.UUCP (Tim Pozar) (06/09/86)
I may of missed the announcement... How/Where do I write to receive
information to build/buy a decoder for Stargate?
Tim Pozar
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|______________________________| grr@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (George Robbins) (06/10/86)
In article <1246@well.UUCP> pozar@well.UUCP (Tim Pozar) writes: > > I may of missed the announcement... How/Where do I write to receive ^---< WHEN? >information to build/buy a decoder for Stargate? > Tim Pozar UUCP: ihp4!hplabs!well!pozar I like the stargate idea, less Laurens 100% moderation ideology, but I can't help but think a monthly status report would make the net feel that there is really somthing being accomplished, and that stargate may somday be a reality... -- George Robbins - now working with, uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|caip}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)
honey@down.FUN (Peter Honeyman) (06/10/86)
george robbins requests a monthly status report on stargate to make the net feel good. stargate is partially funded by the usenix association. periodic status reports are presented to the association's directors and reported in ;login:, the association's newsletter. all usenix members receive ;login:. peter
grr@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (George Robbins) (06/11/86)
In article <699@down.FUN> honey@down.FUN (Peter Honeyman) writes: >george robbins requests a monthly status report on stargate to >make the net feel good. > >stargate is partially funded by the usenix association. periodic >status reports are presented to the association's directors and >reported in ;login:, the association's newsletter. all usenix >members receive ;login:. > > peter Come on - The idea is not to make the net 'feel good', but to inform net users about a possible alternative to the status quo. What level of confidence do you think the average news administrator has that Stargate will really happen? I can't help but think that a little more information would generate more faith and perhaps even more support. There are a lot of people on the net, who for one reason or the other, aren't members of usenix and may have never seen ;login: - It wouldn't take much effort to post the status reports to usenet also, now would it? --- I'm more than ready to quite titheing AT&T any time, even if I have to go and buy one of those satellite dishes out of my own pocket... -- George Robbins - now working with, uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|caip}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)
joel@gould9.UUCP (Joel West) (06/12/86)
In article <699@down.FUN>, honey@down.UUCP (Peter Honeyman) writes: > george robbins requests a monthly status report on stargate to > make the net feel good. > > stargate is partially funded by the usenix association. periodic > status reports are presented to the association's directors and > reported in ;login:, the association's newsletter. all usenix > members receive ;login:. The updates to ;login: are not monthly and there is a lead time for publication. Those of us who are not on the board (including, unfortunately, peter) will find out about this only irregularly. since stargate would, theoretically, supplant usenet in some ways, I think the idea of a monthly status report is a good one. If not, maybe we should rmgroup net.news.stargate. -- Joel West (619) 457-9681 CACI, Inc. Federal, 3344 N. Torrey Pines Ct., La Jolla, CA 92037 {cbosgd, ihnp4, pyramid, sdcsvax, ucla-cs} !gould9!joel joel%gould9.uucp@NOSC.ARPA
glc@akgua.UUCP (glc) (06/12/86)
George Robbins asked: >What level of confidence do you think the average news administrator has that >Stargate will really happen? Perhaps I have rose-colored glasses, but my feeling as the "akgua" backbone administrator is that stargate will indeed really happen. The people behind it are tenacious! They are putting in a lot of time cajoling/convincing/conniving the folks in positions that make the concept viable. Likewise, the necessary hardware is being designed to work in a world where the local site administrator doesn't know *beans* about electronics and won't pay much real cash for the black box. As in so many cases, the hardware side can be set up a lot quicker than the "people" side. Remember, one of the fundamental premises of stargate is getting free rides from the satellite TV world. That takes some careful diplomacy! Cheers, Lindsay Lindsay Cleveland (akgua!glc) (404) 447-3909 Cornet 583-3909 AT&T Technologies/Bell Laboratories ... Atlanta, Ga
honey@down.FUN (Peter Honeyman) (06/13/86)
i've never supported the idea of using stargate for netnews. (see matthew 7,6.) i take it your suggestion that net.news.stargate be removed was in jest. peter
reid@decwrl.DEC.COM (Brian Reid) (06/14/86)
In article <701@down.FUN> honey@down.FUN (Peter Honeyman) writes: >i've never supported the idea of using stargate for netnews. >(see matthew 7,6.) Peter: which are the pearls and which are the swine? Brian
cycy@isl1.ri.cmu.edu (Christopher Young) (06/15/86)
>i've never supported the idea of using stargate for netnews. >(see matthew 7,6.) What the heck is the reference onthe second quoted line above supposed to mean? -- Chris Young. arpa: cycy@cmu-ri-isl1 uucp: {...![arpa/uucp gateway (eg. ucbvax)]}!cycy@cmu-ri-isl1
henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (06/17/86)
> I can't help but think a monthly status report would make the net feel > that there is really somthing being accomplished... Given a choice between accomplishing something, and making the net feel that something is being accomplished, Lauren appears to prefer the former. I agree. Don't joggle his elbow, he's up to his eyeballs in tricky negotiations right now. -- Usenet(n): AT&T scheme to earn revenue from otherwise-unused Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology late-night phone capacity. {allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henry
henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (06/17/86)
> ... How/Where do I write to receive information to build/buy a decoder > for Stargate? You didn't miss the announcement, there hasn't been one yet. When they become widely available, I'm pretty sure Lauren will let us all know. It will have to be "buy", not "build", because there is a fair bit of proprietary technology involved. (It's also a bit complicated for a do-it-yourself project; this is not a low-quality low-baud-rate system, and things like cable TV systems can mangle signals pretty badly.) In fact, it may end up being "rent" rather than "buy", since there will be real on-going expenses involved. -- Usenet(n): AT&T scheme to earn revenue from otherwise-unused Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology late-night phone capacity. {allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henry
henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (06/17/86)
> ... Those of us who are not on the board (including, > unfortunately, peter) will find out about this only irregularly. Since there is real new news only irregularly, irregular status reports are perfectly reasonable. > since stargate would, theoretically, supplant usenet in some ways, > I think the idea of a monthly status report is a good one. If > not, maybe we should rmgroup net.news.stargate. Oh, grow up. Lauren is doing the work on this project, and hence has the right to call the shots to some degree. Especially since he's not getting paid for it. (Nor is his employer supporting it -- he's an independent consultant who has no big daddy supporting him.) Just because he doesn't feel like producing monthly reports saying "no openly-discussable progress this month, folks" is no reason to talk about rmgroups. -- Usenet(n): AT&T scheme to earn revenue from otherwise-unused Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology late-night phone capacity. {allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henry
lawitzke@msudoc.UUCP (06/18/86)
>(matthew6,7) or was it 7,6? (ed) >>what is that It's obviously a biblical reference, I assume it's the that goes to the effect : Yeah, let your communication only be yeah, yeah, nay,nay it was a plea to binary, but I'm not the original poster -- John H. Lawitzke UUCP ...ihnp4!msudoc!lawitzke Dept. of Electronic and Surface Properties 260 Engineering Bd. Office: (517) 353-5984 Michigan State University Home: (517) 332-3610 E. Lansing, MI, 48824
mikel@codas.ATT.UUCP (Mikel Manitius) (06/20/86)
> You didn't miss the announcement, there hasn't been one yet. When they > become widely available, I'm pretty sure Lauren will let us all know. > It will have to be "buy", not "build", because there is a fair bit of > proprietary technology involved. (It's also a bit complicated for a > do-it-yourself project; this is not a low-quality low-baud-rate system, > and things like cable TV systems can mangle signals pretty badly.) In > fact, it may end up being "rent" rather than "buy", since there will be > real on-going expenses involved. > -- > Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology Please NO! Do you realize how badly the local cable companies will mangle this service, if they have the slightest bit of control over anything! Inferior devices, high rental costs, and ignorance from cable companies will be what you'l get. -- Mikel Manitius @ AT&T-IS Altamonte Springs, FL ...{seismo!akgua|ihnp4|cbosgd}!codas!mikel.ATT.UUCP
jsdy@hadron.UUCP (Joseph S. D. Yao) (06/21/86)
In article <377@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) writes: >What level of confidence do you think the average news administrator has that >Stargate will really happen? I can't help but think that a little more >information would generate more faith and perhaps even more support. Close to 100%. Say, 96.53%, not having calculated recent actuarial data for Lauren and possible successors [;-)]. Seriously, it w i l l happen. >There are a lot of people on the net, who for one reason or the other, aren't >members of usenix and may have never seen ;login: - It wouldn't take much >effort to post the status reports to usenet also, now would it? I was going to reply that it was as easy as sending in a (small) membership fee to Usenix at P.O.Box 7, El Cerrito CA 94530, and getting membership and a free subscription to ;login:. However, the last few issues I can find have no mention of what regular and student rates are! The conference program suggests that $15 buys a half-year "normal" membership. Write (or call: 415-528-8649) and ask. -- Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP} jsdy@hadron.COM (not yet registered)
jsdy@hadron.UUCP (Joseph S. D. Yao) (06/21/86)
In article <1011@isl1.ri.cmu.edu> cycy@isl1.ri.cmu.edu (Christopher Young) writes: [no attribution, but it was honey@down] >>i've never supported the idea of using stargate for netnews. >>(see matthew 7,6.) >What the heck is the reference onthe second quoted line above >supposed to mean? "Do not give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before swine. They will trample them under foot, at best, and perhaps even tear you to shreds." New American Bible, Benziger Inc., 1970 / Matthew, the Evangelists, ca. AD 85. -- Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP} jsdy@hadron.COM (not yet registered)
jsdy@hadron.UUCP (Joseph S. D. Yao) (06/21/86)
In article <362@msudoc.UUCP> lawitzke@msudoc.UUCP (John Lawitzke) writes: [no attribution] >>(matthew6,7) or was it 7,6? (ed) Sheer serendipity -- I love it! Matthew 6, 7 is: "In your prayer, do not rattle on like the pagans. They think they will win a hearing by the sheer multiplication of words." Appropriate. -- Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP} jsdy@hadron.COM (not yet registered)
jsdy@hadron.UUCP (Joseph S. D. Yao) (06/21/86)
In article <362@msudoc.UUCP> lawitzke@msudoc.UUCP (John Lawitzke) writes: >>(matthew6,7) or was it 7,6? (ed) Sheer serendipity -- I love it! Matthew 6, 7 is: "In your prayer do not rattle on like the pagans. They think they will win a hearing by the sheer multiplication of words." (Op cit) Sure sounds like netnews. ;-)/2 -- Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP} jsdy@hadron.COM (not yet registered)
henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (06/25/86)
> Please NO! Do you realize how badly the local cable companies will > mangle this service, if they have the slightest bit of control over > anything! Inferior devices, high rental costs, and ignorance from > cable companies will be what you'l get. Nobody (last I heard) is planning to have local cable companies involved in renting the receivers or managing the service. The point is that a good way for many people to *receive the signal* is by getting WTBS from their local cable company. This means that the receiver must be robust enough to cope with a signal that's gone through a typical cable system. -- Usenet(n): AT&T scheme to earn revenue from otherwise-unused Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology late-night phone capacity. {allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henry