[net.politics.theory] economic issues -- back to you, Dan

flink@umcp-cs.UUCP (Paul Torek) (03/05/85)

	I asked Mr. McKiernan for evidence to support his claim that 
concentrations of economic power could not persist in a Free Economy.
He replied that evidence can be found in the fact that all such concen-
trations were obtained with political priviledge, that such concentra-
tions have generally become more stable as government meddling in the 
economy has grown, and that X-inefficiencies eventually eat-up the 
profits of most licensed monopolies.
	I find this insufficient.  The first two facts may simply reflect
the prevalence of "political priveledge", without indicating that this is
the *sole* cause of economic concentration.  I would particularly like to
know what Mr. McKiernan thinks of the phenomenon called "natural 
monopoly" (see Griffin & Steele, _Energy Econ_ for definition) -- is it
unreal, or unproblematic, in his view?
	McKiernan claims that "von Mises blew Market Socialism out of the
water as well (Torek needs to do more research on the Calculation 
Debate)."  The parenthesized statement is true, but I think McKiernan
needs to do more research on the definition of Socialism.  As I understand
it, socialism = worker's control (of the "means of production").  Nothing
in this definition rules out the possibility of a perfectly voluntary,
libertarian-compatible, socialist society -- see Robert Nozick's famous
book for more details.  (Nozick takes this as support for libertarianism,
since it allegedly shows its flexibility, tolerance, etc.)
	McKiernan correctly points out that taxation policies can 
internalize externalities only in a very limited number of cases.  I find
those cases *very* interesting for what they show about libertarian
principles.  A moral/political principle is a generalization; it is wrong
if it is wrong in even one case -- at least, so I would argue.  No doubt
you can see that I think this is just such a case.  Others may disagree.
They will say "the libertarian principle is right, therefore this
consequence of it MUST be right;" I say "the consequence is wrong, 
therefore ...".
	McKiernan says "In such cases, Libertarians would obviously 
rather sacrifice economic performance to negative liberty (most ideolo-
gies will sacrifice economic performance to something in some cases)."
I think that Libertarians are sacrificing it to an unworthy ideal.
	McKiernan says my inclusion of education as a source of 
externalities is wrong; I say: think harder.  For one thing, education
promotes invention, and invention has positive externalities.  Perhaps
McKiernan's point is that the externalities are much smaller than the
internalized benefits; he may be right about that.
	I asked for rational reasons 'to value present consumption over
future consumption *PER SE*' (emphasis added); McKiernan gave *ex-
trinsic* reasons; I think he may agree with me that to value the present
over the future *per se* is irrational.  The point is a minor one, and
nothing he said contradicted it, so I probably should have skipped it.

	--Paul "Don't look at me --
		I'm just another apologist for the status quo" Torek