danw@oliven.UUCP (danw) (03/02/85)
[] > Even if you could come up with some expression for "the good of society" >in quantitative terms, it might not be right to maximize it. Suppose you >have incontrovertible proof that sacrificing unwilling virgins to the great >lizard-god is the only way to preserve the lives of others. Do you have a right >to perform the sacrifice? Moral philosophies differ here, but I think not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notice how the socialist duck and dodge here with claims that you don't really believe in the lizard-god , red-herring etc. etc. The inescapable fact is that the socialists (all statists) claim the moral right to seize life , liberty , or property for " the good of society". A terrorist, while throwing a bomb into a cafe , makes the same claim : individual life and property can and will be sacrificed for " the good of society". As a Libertarian I say ' A curse on all philosophies and philosophers who wish to deny us our inalienable right to Life , Liberty , and PROPERTY. ' danw
rdz@ccice5.UUCP (Robert D. Zarcone) (03/06/85)
> > The inescapable fact is that the socialists (all statists) claim > the moral right to seize life , liberty , or property for " the good of > society". > > A terrorist, while throwing a bomb into a cafe , makes the same claim > : individual life and property can and will be sacrificed for " the good of > society". > > As a Libertarian I say ' A curse on all philosophies and philosophers > who wish to deny us our inalienable right to Life , Liberty , and PROPERTY. ' > > > > danw And what about a system such as ours that allows capital punishment, prison, and the right of emminent (sp?) domain? If these aren't for "the good of society", who's good are they for? BTW, before someone asks me if I'm a socialist or terrorist, let me tell you it's none of your business! *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***
cliff@unmvax.UUCP (03/06/85)
> BTW, before someone asks me if I'm a socialist or terrorist, let me tell you > it's none of your business! Sounds like a good principle to me... if anyone asks whether I am a mass-murderer (as many terrorists are or want to be) it's none of their business! I'll use force whenever I want--'cause I am know what's good for you and I am never wrong. --Cliff
rdz@ccice5.UUCP (Robert D. Zarcone) (03/08/85)
> > BTW, before someone asks me if I'm a socialist or terrorist, let me tell you > > it's none of your business! > > Sounds like a good principle to me... if anyone asks whether I am a > mass-murderer (as many terrorists are or want to be) it's none of > their business! I'll use force whenever I want--'cause I am know what's > good for you and I am never wrong. > > --Cliff Point taken! You are right on the terrorist part. The point of this badly phrased BTW was to let those out there who are always asking "so are you a socialist or not?" that I don't feel its necessary for me to give that information. You see, in some parts of the country an answer of yes spells the end of career advancement. Maybe not as big a sin as being gay, but close enough! BTW, "I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party" (unless you include liberal Democrats in that group). *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***