[net.politics.theory] Economic Issues -- Reply to Creighton

orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) (03/28/85)

> As I recall, DKMcK mentioned frictional unemployment when he discussed
> full employment. In addition, it has not been understood that information
> is in some way freely available to all. Information is a valuable commodity.
> Israel M. Kirzener has discussed this at length, especially in 
> *Competition and Entrepreneurship*. To oversimplify, an entrepeneur is,
> according to Kirzener, someone who uses information to make money. 
> 
> Laura Creighton
> utzoo!laura

Information certainly *is* a valuable commodity- which is why the
neoclassical capitalist assumption of perfect information is yet
another problem for applying the theory of free markets to the real
world. If consumers know that Burgher Sweat is putting sawdust into
their hamburgers it may have a great impact on their decision to 
purchase their fried cow.  However, how are they to know?
Likewise for other adulteration of products and requirements that
producers provide information on their products ingredients on the
label.  The fact that Consumer Groups and the government have
placed requirements on manufacturers to provide nutrition information,
list of ingredients,etc.  is hardly an imposition on the "free market"
but allows the assumption of valid information to make market choices
about products to be more valid.  Personally I often use that information
in making choices of what I will buy to eat.  Without it I personally
would not make the effort of doing the research involved to get 
that information.
 
Often I think a major advantage the middle-class has over the poor
and many working-class children is simply the knowledge of what
opportunities are available to them.  Many poor people think
that there is no way they can afford to go to college.  While
Reagan is doing his best to make this true, it is not true yet:
in fact if poor students study hard, then they probably can go to
college with financial aid.
 
Indeed information seems to me crucial to the very definition and
operation of "markets".  How do I find a job? I ask friends
(one source of information) and look in the paper (another more
formalized source of information). (there is an interesting book
on how people find jobs, Mark Granovetter's network study
"Finding a Job".  He finds *most* jobs are found through contacts
and connections-a friend of a friend for example.  Since the poor
don't have these contacts they are at a severe disadvantage in the
job market. On the other hand if you want to find drugs....)
Laura's suggestion that information is a crucial part of the
entrepreneur's contribution to economic enterprises is an
interesting point and probably to some extent correct.
Whether this has any relevance to the profits accruing from the ownership
and control of capital alone is another question.
            tim sevener   whuxl!orb

js2j@mhuxt.UUCP (sonntag) (03/29/85)

> Often I think a major advantage the middle-class has over the poor
> and many working-class children is simply the knowledge of what
> opportunities are available to them.  Many poor people think
> that there is no way they can afford to go to college.  While
> Reagan is doing his best to make this true, it is not true yet:
> in fact if poor students study hard, then they probably can go to
> college with financial aid.

     Indeed.  I don't know how much things have changed since '78-'82,
but financial aid enabled me to attend a rather expensive private
school (CMU), with *no* help needed from parents.  Having poor parents
was a big *help* in getting that financial aid too.  That portion of
the 'cycle of poverty' that goes: 'poor parents => poor education'
always puzzled me for that reason.  With the financial aid available
5 years ago, anyone, no matter how poor, could afford to attend at
least a state school, or something.  Maybe the point Sevener raised
above explains why that link in the cycle of poverty still seems to
be operating.
-- 
Jeff Sonntag
ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j
    "Parts is parts."-Jack the Ripper