[net.politics.theory] Force is the Opposite of Reason

rwsh@hound.UUCP (R.STUBBLEFIELD) (12/22/85)

                             CONCEPTS OF REASON AND FORCE
     
                                Reason as a Potential
         Reason is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material 
     provided by man's senses.  "Man is the rational animal" means:  the 
     faculty of reason distinguishes man from other animals.  To say man is 
     rational is to say he has the faculty of reason.  The opposite of rational 
     in this sense would be to lack the faculty of reason.  Although man in 
     general is rational, an individual man may be irrational--e.g., if he is 
     brain-dead or psychotic.  Here irrational means incapable of reason.
         When I say force is the opposite of reason, I am *not* saying the 
     victim or the initiator of force necessarily becomes incapable of reason.  
     (Although it is clear that force could destroy the victim's brain and his 
     faculty of reason.)  To be precise, initiation of force to gain values is 
     *opposed* to the faculty of reason.  I will argue, after some intermediate 
     steps, that initiating force to gain values is detrimental to the faculty 
     of reason--both to that of the victim *and* the initiator.
         To speak of man's faculty of reason is to speak of his potential to 
     reason.  Man also has other potentials, such as the faculty of vision-- 
     meaning he has the potential to see.  When certain conditions are met (his 
     eyes are open, etc.) the potential to see becomes the actuality of 
     seeing--or sight.  Although man continues to have the faculty of sight 
     when his eyes are closed, he does not have sight without fulfilling its 
     conditions.
     
                                Reason as an Actuality
         When the proper conditions are met, the actuality of reason can be 
     realized.  Man reasons when his consciousness acts to identify and 
     integrate the material provided by his senses.  Reasoning is an action of 
     a human consciousness.
         There are two concepts sometimes identified by the word "force" that 
     can be contrasted with this aspect of reason.  If you have to move a heavy 
     object, you might say you have to use force.  You wouldn't attempt to move 
     it with reasoning but would use physical means to achieve a result in 
     reality.  (This is not to say that you wouldn't use reason to find the 
     most effective physical means.)  I would not say that force in this sense 
     is the opposite of reason; the concepts are in two different categories.  
     Reasoning has to do with acts of consciousness; force deals with states of 
     existence.  (The concepts are related, of course, because it is existence 
     that consciousness is aware of.)
     
     
     
         Force is also used to name an act of consciousness.  You have probably 
     said at one time or another, "I really didn't want to do that; but I knew 
     that I should; so I forced myself to."  Here force is naming what you do 
     in your consciousness to cause yourself to take a physical action you know 
     you should take even though your emotions prompt you to do something 
     else.  The more common name for this concept is "will."  Again force in 
     this sense is not the opposite of reason even though both are acts of 
     consciousness because the concepts are in two different categories. The 
     result of reasoning is a conclusion--a state of consciousness.  The result 
     of will is action (sometimes mental and sometimes physical).  Reasoning is 
     an act of cognition and can used to decide what physical means to use to 
     achieve an end.  The will is the act of consciousness that puts those 
     physical means into action.  Reasoning can tell you to do something, but 
     until you will yourself to do it, it won't get done.
         When I say force is the opposite of reason, I am referring to a 
     concept of force that is *different* from "force = physical means" or 
     "force = my act of will causing me to do something I don't want to do."  
     The opposite of reason is "force = physical means used by someone else to 
     get me to do something I don't want to do."  I will say more on this later.
         What mental process is identified by the concept of reason?  Such an 
     idea does not subsume daydreaming or wishing, for example.  One 
     distinction between the process of reason and other acts of consciousness 
     is the product of the process--its output.
     
                                 The Result of Reason
         The output of reason is a state of consciousness--a mental product 
     --e.g., a conclusion--something that has the potential of being 
     knowledge.  A conclusion that 2 + 2 = 4 would be knowledge; a conclusion 
     that 2 + 2 = 5 would be an error.  Knowledge is an identification of a 
     fact of reality by a consciousness.  This identification is a state of 
     consciousness consistent with a fact of reality.  A conclusion identifying 
     a fact of reality is reasonable; a false conclusion is unreasonable or 
     irrational.
         Notice that there is no concept to name a state of consciousness 
     achieved by physical means.  A conclusion "forced by logic" comes from 
     actions of consciousness.  A child might make a mistake in reasoning and 
     conclude that 2 + 2 = 5; but once he knows the truth, even though force 
     may get him to say a falsehood, physical means will not make him believe 
     it.
     


         The decision to gain a value by force is irrational because the 
     conclusion is inconsistent with reality--the facts of reality are such 
     that correct reasoning would conclude that a policy of living by the 
     initiation of force is opposed to reason.  Someone (with the knowledge 
     available to the average American) who valued a happy, long life and who 
     applied reason without mistake would conclude that creating and trading is 
     more efficacious than looting.
         (If you believe it is possible to live a life of crime and have a 
     happy, long life, I suggest you do two things to disabuse yourself of the 
     notion.  First, do some serious introspection and ask yourself how happy 
     *you* would be with such a life.  Second, do some reading of case studies 
     of criminals to see the emotional state of this species.)
         To say that in normal circumstances the initiation of force to gain 
     values is irrational, is not to say force is irrational in all contexts.  
     It would be rational to pull your lover from the path of a car if there is 
     no time for reason.  Here you are preserving, not gaining, a value.  
     Stealing a car to prevent World War III might be rational.  Here you 
     temporarily gain a value to allow you to preserve your own and your 
     "victim's" values.  Using force in self-defense is rational.  Stealing a 
     loaf of bread in Marie Antoinette's day may have been rational.  It is 
     certainly possible for man to devise political systems that make it 
     difficult to distinguish the rational from the irrational.
         Whether initiating force is irrational requires an analysis of the 
     context.  Principles apply only within the context of their derivation.  
     Within that context they are absolute.  Outside of it they are irrelevant. 
     The context necessary to derive the principle that the initiation of force 
     to gain values is irrational is that it is possible to survive by the 
     values you create.
         It is, of course, a non-sequitur to claim that someone did not use 
     reason just because his conclusion is false.  A mental activity may be 
     reasoning even if the result is unreasonable because man is fallible.  
     Man's knowledge does not automatically correspond to reality; he must 
     apply a method and he may make mistakes.  What conditions must a process 
     of consciousness meet in order to be classified as reasoning?
     
                                 The Method of Reason
         Reason is a process of consciousness that has the potential of 
     producing states of consciousness consistent with reality.  Some of man's 
     states of conscious are automatically consistent with reality--his 
     perceptions.  But most of man's knowledge is held as abstractions--as 
     integrations of percepts into first order concepts and lower order 
     concepts into higher order (more abstract) concepts.
     
         Reason is the process of consciousness that produces abstractions 
     consistent with reality.  Do do this, reason must meet two essential 
     criteria.  First, to qualify as reasoning, a process must deal in 
     abstractions ultimately based on the evidence of the senses.  Second, a 
     process of reason must ensure that new conclusions integrate 
     non-contradictorily with all previous knowledge of the reasoner.
         A process that knowingly starts with an arbitrary assertion--i.e., a 
     state of consciousness that has no sensory tie to reality, such as a 
     whim--does not qualify as reason.  (Someone may mistakenly reason from 
     such a starting point; but his conclusion will say nothing of reality; and 
     when the arbitrary nature of the starting point is shown to him, he cannot 
     reasonably continue.)
         Similarly, a process that knowingly tolerates contradictions is not 
     reason.
         When I say you are not reasoning if you justify your initiation of 
     force by pointing to your desire--an emotion, I am alluding to the fact 
     that the first criteria of reasoning is violated.  An emotion is not a 
     primary as is the evidence of your senses.  Emotions are products of 
     consciousness with somatic consequences.  In brief, an emotion is your 
     lightning fast, automatic response to something you have identified as 
     having a particular relationship to you and your values.  You feel fear of 
     things that threaten you, anger at things you consider unfair, sadness at 
     values you lose, pleasure when you gain values, etc.  Note that values are 
     also states of consciousness and abstractions.  As such they may be 
     correct or incorrect identifications of facts of reality.  A method of 
     reaching conclusions by starting with whatever you happen to value as a 
     primary is not reason.
         Emotions are a valuable and enjoyable aspect of being human.  An 
     examination of your emotions may give you information on what you think 
     about reality; but emotions give you no independent information of 
     reality.  Emotions are not tools of cognition.
     
                                   Reason vs. Force
         All the aspects of reason discussed thus far apply in society or in a 
     desert island environment--i.e., for a single human in isolation.  But the 
     concept of force that is the opposite of reason does not arise except in 
     social situations--i.e., when more than one person is involved.
         Force is the use of physical means by one person (or group) to cause 
     another person to act against his reason.  Force is contrasted with 
     reason--getting someone to act by transferring knowledge (states of 
     consciousness consistent with reality) from one person's mind to another.
     
         This is the sense in which force is the opposite of reason.  Force 
     cannot even be defined or grasped except in opposition to reason.  Your 
     earliest concept of force might refer to having to do things you don't 
     want to do.  As you mature you will learn that not everything you want to 
     do is necessarily reasonable.  Later you will differentiate instances 
     where you change your actions because you are influenced by physical means 
     from instances where you are influenced by the force of an argument--by 
     reason.
         Reason, in this context, refers to the process by which you get 
     someone else to reach a conclusion.  A process of reason would use 
     abstractions ultimately based in reality (the one reality there is, the 
     one you both are aware of with your senses).  If you use a process of 
     reason, you would point out contradictions in the conclusions of the other 
     person *and* correct your own conclusions when contradictions are revealed.
         Force bypasses reason.  Force says some private inaccessible-to-others 
     state of consciousness justifies using physical means to make someone act 
     as if they had reached a conclusion by reason.
         It is in dealing with others that force--physical force--is the 
     opposite of reason.
         Attempting to gain values by the use of force because you feel you can 
     do so violates the essence of reason that says to start with reality--not 
     arbitrary states of consciousness.
         A policy of trying to live by force is unreasonable if you value 
     happiness.
         The values needed to sustain human life must be created by applying 
     reason to the problem of survival.  A policy of trying to gain values by 
     initiating physical force will lower the productivity of the victim--and 
     the victimizer has produced nothing.  Initiation of force to gain value 
     cuts one little tie to reality in the mind of the forcer (as he acts 
     against the cause--the victim's use of reason--while desiring the 
     effect--the values produced) and one link to reality of the victim (whose 
     actions but for the intervention of the forcer's arbitrary contents of 
     consciousness would have yielded him a value).  If you want to know the 
     results of such a policy carried to extremes, see the psychological case 
     studies of the victims and guards of the Nazi concentration camps.  If you 
     want to see the existential effects on productivity, compare the relative 
     productivity of the more free (from force initiated by others) countries 
     with culturally similar but less free countries--say West Germany vs. East 
     Germany, or South Korea vs. North Korea.
         In the field of social interaction, reason produces values and force 
     destroys productivity.
                           FORCE IS THE OPPOSITE OF REASON.
     
-- 
Bob Stubblefield ihnp4!hound!rwsh 201-949-2846

berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman) (12/28/85)

I abbreviated the text of Bob as faithfully as I could.
The words introdueced by me in the process are in [] brackets.

>                         CONCEPTS OF REASON AND FORCE
> 
>                            Reason as a Potential
>     Reason is the faculty [of man] that identifies and integrates the 
> material provided by man's senses.  
>     To speak of man's faculty of reason is to speak of his potential to 
> reason.  Man also has other potentials, such as the faculty of vision-- 
> 
>                            Reason as an Actuality
>     When the proper conditions are met, the actuality of reason can be 
> realized.  
> get me to do something I don't want to do."  I will say more on this later.
>     What mental process is identified by the concept of reason?  Such an 
> idea does not subsume daydreaming or wishing, for example.  One 
> distinction between the process of reason and other acts of consciousness 
> is the product of the process--its output, [another is its method].

> 
>                             The Result of Reason
>     The output of reason is a state of consciousness--a mental product 
> --e.g., a conclusion--something that has the potential of being 
> knowledge.  A conclusion that 2 + 2 = 4 would be knowledge; a conclusion 
> that 2 + 2 = 5 would be an error.  Knowledge is an identification of a 
> fact of reality by a consciousness.  This identification is a state of 
> consciousness consistent with a fact of reality.  A conclusion identifying 
> a fact of reality is reasonable; a false conclusion is unreasonable or 
> irrational.
> 

>                             The Method of Reason
>     What conditions must a process 
> of consciousness meet in order to be classified as reasoning?
>     Reason is a process of consciousness that has the potential of 
> producing states of consciousness consistent with reality.  Perceptions 
> are automatically consistent with reality.  But most of man's knowledge 
> is held as abstractions--as integrations of percepts into first order 
> concepts and [subsequently] into higher order (more abstract) concepts.
> 
>     Reason is the process of consciousness that produces abstractions 
> consistent with reality.  To do this, reason must meet two essential 
> criteria.  First, to qualify as reasoning, a process must deal in 
> abstractions ultimately based on the evidence of the senses.  Second, a 
> process of reason must ensure that new conclusions integrate 
> non-contradictorily with all previous knowledge of the reasoner.
>     A process that starts with an arbitrary assertion [which] has no 
> sensory tie to reality does not qualify as reason.  ([If one] reason[s] 
> from such a starting point his conclusion will say nothing of reality.)
>     Similarly, a process that knowingly tolerates contradictions is not 
> reason.
>     Emotions are products of consciousness with somatic consequences,
>  while they are a valuable and enjoyable aspect of being human, they 
>  are not tools of cognition.
> 
>                               Reason vs. Force
>     All the aspects of reason discussed thus far apply [to] a single human.
> But the concept of force that is the opposite of reason does arise 
> when more than one person is involved.
>     Force is the use of physical means by one person (or group) to cause 
> another person to act against his reason.  Force is contrasted with 
> reason--getting someone to act by transferring knowledge (states of 
> consciousness consistent with reality) from one person's mind to another.
> 
>     This is the sense in which force is the opposite of reason.  Force 
> cannot even be defined or grasped except in opposition to reason.  Your 
> earliest concept of force might refer to having to do things you don't 
> want to do.  As you mature you will learn that not everything you want to 
> do is necessarily reasonable.  Later you will differentiate instances 
> where you change your actions because you are influenced by physical means 
> from instances where you are influenced by the force of an argument--by 
> reason.
>     Reason, in this context, refers to the process by which you get 
> someone else to reach a conclusion.  If you use a process of 
> reason, you would point out contradictions in the conclusions of the other 
> person *and* correct your own conclusions when contradictions are revealed.
>     Force bypasses reason.  Force says some private inaccessible-to-others 
> state of consciousness justifies using physical means to make someone act 
> as if they had reached a conclusion by reason.
>     It is in dealing with others that force--physical force--is the 
> opposite of reason.
>     Attempting to gain values by the use of force because you feel you can 
> do so violates the essence of reason that says to start with reality--not 
> arbitrary states of consciousness.
>     A policy of trying to live by force is unreasonable if you value 
> happiness.
>     The values needed to sustain human life must be created by applying 
> reason to the problem of survival.  A policy of trying to gain values by 
> initiating physical force will lower the productivity of the victim--and 
> the victimizer has produced nothing.  Initiation of force to gain value 
> cuts one little tie to reality in the mind of the forcer (as he acts 
> against the cause--the victim's use of reason--while desiring the 
> effect--the values produced) and one link to reality of the victim (whose 
> actions but for the intervention of the forcer's arbitrary contents of 
> consciousness would have yielded him a value).  If you want to know the 
> results of such a policy carried to extremes, see 
> the Nazi concentration camps.  If you 
> want to see the existential effects on productivity, compare the relative 
> productivity of the more free (from force initiated by others) countries 
> with culturally similar but less free countries--say West Germany vs. East 
> Germany, or South Korea vs. North Korea.
>     In the field of social interaction, reason produces values and force 
> destroys productivity.
>                       FORCE IS THE OPPOSITE OF REASON.
> 
> -- 
> Bob Stubblefield ihnp4!hound!rwsh 201-949-2846


Bob writes:

>     Force is the use of physical means by one person (or group) to cause 
> another person to act against his reason.  

His examples do not explain the following:

If someone is not reasoning correctly (i.e. starts from a whimsical assumption,
tolerates contradictions, etc.), does he act according to reason?
In particular, if this individual is caused to act against its wish,
does it mean that it is forced?

Later I will point to the difficulties involved in this problem.

Bob writes:

> to see the effects on productivity, compare the 
> productivity of the more free (from force initiated by others) countries 
> with culturally similar but less free countries--say West Germany vs. East 
> Germany, or South Korea vs. North Korea.

As one may notice, West Germany has substancial taxes, conscription,
even censorship (one is not allowed to advocate racial hatred).
South Korea, unlike West Germany, is definitely an oppresive country,
yet the rate of economical growth is larger.  This is not a fortunate 
example of force being an enemy of productivity.  

Bob objects to force in three ways:

1.  He defines reason as an individual faculty, then redefines it
    as a way of conveying one's point of view, then claims that
    force as a tool to make someone agree is incompatible with the 
    reason in its second meaning.

2.  He argues that the force as a tool to gain values is ineffective:
    the values gained do not provide happines as large as in the
    case when force is not used.

These two approaches do not address directly force as used by state 
or similar entity.

3.  Force is bad for productivity.

This is not ultimately convincing: some slave societies had larger
productivity than some free ones, this relative argument is downright
dangerous.

Bob is not addressing at all the problem of norms in a society.
It seems that he needs a dangerous loophole: a society must
create rational laws, then forcing people to obey is not forcing
them to act against their reason, since reason should make them to
obey the laws!
This is an opening to "we know better what is good for you" approach,
and consistent with my view that objectivism, if fully developed,
will demand a state of the Platonic form: dictatorship of the wise
over the irrational multitude.  The idea of such a system would not
be questioned, the only requirement would be that the wise should
be wise indeed.  Since objective reasoning is, according to objectivists,
capable of producing conclusions which should be acceptable to ALL
rational humans, the existence of the people sufficiently wise to
be trusted with the absolute rule over the rest need not to be doubted.

If in turn this loophole is not use, then I do not understand how
Bob wants to solve the problem of necessary norms.


Piotr Berman