jona@clyde.UUCP (Jon Allingham) (01/23/85)
> In article <3@gitpyr.UUCP> robert@gitpyr.UUCP (Robert Viduya) writes: > >> And once on a deep level I quaffed monster detection and saw a segment > >> of the dungeon absolutely congested with monsters > >Monster congestion like that is called a 'zoo'. I think some machine-run > >person in the dungeon named 'David' handles all the zoos. > > Unless your friendly implementor changes the code, only login id's called > "david" ever see treasure zoos. This is not exactly correct. I know that when playing as wizard ( -w option ) there are treasure zoos. What happens is the wizard gets a zoo part of the time, and a shop ( for normal players ) is determined by: if( level > 1 && level < 20 && rn2( level ) < 2 ) mkshop(); It's sort of a pity that normal people don't see treasure zoo's, maybe the code should be changed to give a ( very ) small chance of getting one -- of course you wouldn't live through one unless you were pretty good since you get hit from 3 sides when standing in a doorway. With a ring of conflict you might just make it though. -- Jon M. Allingham (201)386-3466 AT&T Bell Laboratories-WH "Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here!"
eugene@utcsrgv.UUCP (Eugene Kligerman) (01/24/85)
In article <764@clyde.UUCP> jona@clyde.UUCP (Jon Allingham) writes: > >What happens is the wizard gets a zoo part of the time, and a shop >( for normal players ) is determined by: > if( level > 1 && level < 20 && rn2( level ) < 2 ) mkshop(); > >It's sort of a pity that normal people don't see treasure zoo's, maybe >the code should be changed to give a ( very ) small chance of getting >one -- of course you wouldn't live through one unless you were pretty >good since you get hit from 3 sides when standing in a doorway. With >a ring of conflict you might just make it though. I myself have not examined the Hack source code, but I disagree with the statement that 'normal people don`t see treasure zoos'. I was playing as a Caveman, (not a WIZARD), and I encountered a zoo on level 15 or so in the dungeon. It was full of beasts, big and small, and all aggravated at me for no particular reason. Even the usually placid nymph attacked me and stripped me of my armour & weapon. While it seems that zoos are quite rare, they exist for mortals as well. -- Eugene Kligerman, Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto UUCP: {linus ihnp4 allegra floyd utzoo cornell decwrl uw-beaver}!utcsrgv!eugene
suki@reed.UUCP (Monica Nosek) (01/25/85)
>It's sort of a pity that normal people don't see treasure zoo's, maybe >the code should be changed to give a ( very ) small chance of getting >one -- of course you wouldn't live through one unless you were pretty >good since you get hit from 3 sides when standing in a doorway. With >a ring of conflict you might just make it though. >-- >Jon M. Allingham (201)386-3466 AT&T Bell Laboratories-WH > >"Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here!" Yes, I agree. Treasure zoos are fun; everyone should get to see at least one or two in a game. Of course, when I play as THE WIZARD I don't have to be too careful about being killed, since "for some reason I am still alive", and I've usually wished for a +3 or so crysknife, but I've encountered normal zoos (no nifty presents under those stacks of orcs) while playing as a mortal character, and I've found a good way to deal with the problem of hitting 3 monsters (and being hit by three monsters) while in a doorway: i.e., not to be in the doorway, but to back up one step after luring the monsters out by tempting them with my puny self. This way, one can bash them one-on-one instead of taking blows from three sides. If you are strong enough to survive the onslaught without a ring of conflict, your experience will go right off the map and you will prabably be beseiged by neophyte hack-ers wanting you to mentor them in the intricacies of the greatest thing since sliced tripe (thanks, Chris). I do like the ring of conflict, though. "The orc hits the jackal. The umber hulk hits the xorn. The zombie hits the centaur. The xan hits the tengu. The rust monster hits the jaguar. The little dog laughs to see such sport, and the dish runs away with the spoon. And the player hits the space bar while the beasties tough it out in the zoo." Ciao (and meow) Monica
jona@clyde.UUCP (Jon Allingham) (01/25/85)
> > ... > >It's sort of a pity that normal people don't see treasure zoo's, maybe > >the code should be changed to give a ( very ) small chance of getting > >one -- of course you wouldn't live through one unless you were pretty > >good since you get hit from 3 sides when standing in a doorway. With > >a ring of conflict you might just make it though. > > I myself have not examined the Hack source code, but I disagree with the > statement that 'normal people don`t see treasure zoos'. > > I was playing as a Caveman, (not a WIZARD), and I encountered a zoo on > level 15 or so in the dungeon. It was full of beasts, big and small, and > all aggravated at me for no particular reason. Even the usually placid > nymph attacked me and stripped me of my armour & weapon. > > While it seems that zoos are quite rare, they exist for mortals as well. > Yes, but was there a lot of treasure in there? -- Jon M. Allingham (201)386-3466 AT&T Bell Laboratories-WH "Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here!"
liang@cvl.UUCP (Eli Liang) (01/25/85)
> > In article <3@gitpyr.UUCP> robert@gitpyr.UUCP (Robert Viduya) writes: > > >> And once on a deep level I quaffed monster detection and saw a segment > > >> of the dungeon absolutely congested with monsters > > >Monster congestion like that is called a 'zoo'. I think some machine-run > > >person in the dungeon named 'David' handles all the zoos. > > > > Unless your friendly implementor changes the code, only login id's called > > "david" ever see treasure zoos. > > This is not exactly correct. I know that when playing as wizard > ( -w option ) there are treasure zoos. > > It's sort of a pity that normal people don't see treasure zoo's, maybe > the code should be changed to give a ( very ) small chance of getting > one -- ... Well, that's what we thought, until we found out that strcmp IS NOT a straight boolean function, but returns -x, 0, or x, where x is a random integer (indicating less than, equal to, and greater than in collating sequence) Therefore, david ALWAYS gets a zoo when below level 6, and the rest of us toesuckers have a one in 7 chance each level below level 6 of getting a zoo. So you see, it already has been changed...even before anybody suggested a change. The original code was about if (dlevel >6 && (!rn2(7) || !strcmp("david",getlogin()))) mkzoo(); Of course, if you have a david on your system (as we do), and if you don't feel he deserves an unfair advantage, making it (dlevel>6 && !rn2(7)) is equivalent. And of course, commenting out the 'if' is an easy way to flex your (feeble) level 1 muscles in a zoo. If you're so inclined. - (assorted free radicals munging source code) Forwarded by: -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eli Liang --- University of Maryland Computer Vision Lab, (301) 454-4526 ARPA: liang@cvl, eli@mit-mc, eli@mit-prep CSNET: liang@cvl UUCP: {seismo,allegra,brl-bmd}!umcp-cs!cvl!liang
holmes@dalcs.UUCP (Ray Holmes) (01/26/85)
> > In article <3@gitpyr.UUCP> robert@gitpyr.UUCP (Robert Viduya) writes: > > >> And once on a deep level I quaffed monster detection and saw a segment > > >> of the dungeon absolutely congested with monsters > > >Monster congestion like that is called a 'zoo'. I think some machine-run > > >person in the dungeon named 'David' handles all the zoos. > > Unless your friendly implementor changes the code, only login id's called > > "david" ever see treasure zoos. > This is not exactly correct. I know that when playing as wizard > ( -w option ) there are treasure zoos. > What happens is the wizard gets a zoo part of the time, and a shop > ( for normal players ) is determined by: > if( level > 1 && level < 20 && rn2( level ) < 2 ) mkshop(); > > It's sort of a pity that normal people don't see treasure zoo's, maybe > the code should be changed to give a ( very ) small chance of getting > one -- of course you wouldn't live through one unless you were pretty > good since you get hit from 3 sides when standing in a doorway. With > a ring of conflict you might just make it though. > -- > Jon M. Allingham (201)386-3466 AT&T Bell Laboratories-WH > > "Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here!" Normal people do see zoos. I've been killed by several of them and I have defeated even more of them. Ray
jaap@mcvax.UUCP (Jaap Akkerhuis) (01/27/85)
In article <1644@cvl.UUCP> liang@cvl.UUCP (Eli Liang) writes: > ... >Therefore, david ALWAYS gets a zoo when below level 6, Big question: who was the original david, what is his net address, and why does he gets the zoo always? The person who can give me the answer first, will get a free UNIX* licence (plate). Jaap Akkerhuis * Hmm, UNIX, where did I hear about it before...
tracy@hcrvx1.UUCP (Tracy Tims) (01/28/85)
Real people see zoos.
I haven't played Wizard mode yet, but I added two cheats
to my Hack. If I define HACK_GIVENAMES my copy does a running identify on
everything. I also bumped up the carry limit of a character. (I am an old
rogue player and I figured it would be too boring to figure it all out again.)
In a normal game, the very best way for a wizard to get ahead is to get a
wand of sleep, and another offensive wand (fire, cold, death) and off a
shopkeeper. Fast and you get lots of magic out of it.
Tracy Tims {linus,allegra,decvax}!watmath!...
Human Computing Resources Corporation {ihnp4,utzoo}!...
Toronto, Ontario, Canada. 416 922-1937 ...hcr!hcrvx1!tracyjohnsi@lasspvax.UUCP (John Sievers) (01/28/85)
In article <> jona@clyde.UUCP (Jon Allingham) writes: >> > ... >> >It's sort of a pity that normal people don't see treasure zoo's, maybe >> >the code should be changed to give a ( very ) small chance of getting >> >one -- of course you wouldn't live through one unless you were pretty >> >good since you get hit from 3 sides when standing in a doorway. With >> >a ring of conflict you might just make it though. >> >> I myself have not examined the Hack source code, but I disagree with the >> statement that 'normal people don`t see treasure zoos'. >> >> I was playing as a Caveman, (not a WIZARD), and I encountered a zoo on >> level 15 or so in the dungeon. It was full of beasts, big and small, and >> all aggravated at me for no particular reason. Even the usually placid >> nymph attacked me and stripped me of my armour & weapon. >> >> While it seems that zoos are quite rare, they exist for mortals as well. >> >Yes, but was there a lot of treasure in there? I found a treasure zoo also while playing a mortal. The room was full of gold because I quafed a locate objects potion and found about 100 dollar signs all packed into a neat little square. When I finally reached the room and cleared it out though there were two treasures. I assume that the monsters picked up each others gold and let it all accumulate in front of the door as they were killed off. -- ...The last bug in sight, one small ant passing by, saluted his tombstone and whispered, "Nice try." cornell!lasspvax!johnsi
robert@gitpyr.UUCP (Robert Viduya) (01/30/85)
>< > I found a treasure zoo also while playing a mortal. The room was full of gold > because I quafed a locate objects potion and found about 100 dollar signs all > packed into a neat little square. When I finally reached the room and cleared > it out though there were two treasures. I assume that the monsters picked up > each others gold and let it all accumulate in front of the door as they were > killed off. I've noticed that when encountering one of these rooms, if there happens to be a leprechaun in it, they won't attack you. Instead, they go around picking up all the gold they can find. Found this out one day when I had a ring of conflict on and had a chance to observe exactly what all the monsters were doing without endangering my life. There was one leppy in the room and as soon as he picked up all the gold, he left. I managed to chase him down after I cleared the room of all other monsters and, upon killing him, found he had over 2000 gold pieces on him. robert -- Robert Viduya Georgia Institute of Technology ...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,masscomp,ut-ngp}!gatech!gitpyr!robert ...!{rlgvax,sb1,uf-cgrl,unmvax,ut-sally}!gatech!gitpyr!robert
david@ukma.UUCP (David Herron, NPR Lover) (02/06/85)
In article <178@lasspvax.UUCP> johnsi@lasspvax.UUCP (John Sievers) writes: > >In article <> jona@clyde.UUCP (Jon Allingham) writes: >>> > ... [a bunch of quoted stuff that everybody has seen already] [and is unimportant anyway] >>> I was playing as a Caveman, (not a WIZARD), and I encountered a zoo on >>> level 15 or so in the dungeon. It was full of beasts, big and small, and >>> all aggravated at me for no particular reason. Even the usually placid >>> nymph attacked me and stripped me of my armour & weapon. >>> >>> While it seems that zoos are quite rare, they exist for mortals as well. >>> >>Yes, but was there a lot of treasure in there? > >I found a treasure zoo also while playing a mortal. The room was full of gold >because I quafed a locate objects potion and found about 100 dollar signs all >packed into a neat little square. When I finally reached the room and cleared >it out though there were two treasures. I assume that the monsters picked up >each others gold and let it all accumulate in front of the door as they were >killed off. Weeelllll......First, let me say that nobody around hears me complain about my getting lots of treasure zoos. (I usually don't get down that deep anyway...:-)) (And other people here have gotten them as well). I was once fighting a treasure zoo, and in the background a L was walking around the room picking up gold. I got killed before the L was done so I don't know if he left or what. -- -:--:- David Herron; ARPA-> "ukma!david"@ANL-MCS or david%ukma.uucp@anl-mcs.arpa UUCP-> {ucbvax,unmvax,boulder,research}!anlams!ukma!david UUCP-> {mcvax!qtlon,vax135,mddc}!qusavx!ukma!david UUCP-> {A-Large-Portion-of-The-World}!cbosgd!ukma!david No stupid sayings (I can't think of one). No stupid disclaimers (Nobody else would claim my statements anyway).