hopp@nbs-amrf.UUCP (Ted Hopp) (02/23/86)
> Here's a question, what's the first thing you would use a scroll > of genocide on? What else would you kill if you had more than one? > > -ed falk Usually the first thing to go are cockatrices. If I have real good armor (<0), including gloves, and good strength (18+), I would rather risk having them around, since they make such good weapons. This is especially true if I have some wands or lots of throwing weapons that I can use to get them relatively safely. After c's, I get rid of xans. (I used to get rid of k's, but they really aren't too much of a problem now that I figured out that I should rest while fighting them off. I can usually get into a good defensive position and get them all easily.) Xans are a real nuisance since they are so good at hitting. Of course royal jelly helps, but I'd rather not lug it all around just to help cope with them. If I don't have a ring of fire resistance, I get rid of dragons next. They are too hard to deal with otherwise. At least I don't know a good strategy for dealing with them. (Without a scroll of taming, of course :-).) Following them, I'd like to get rid of trappers and lurkers, but I can't. (Hack 1.0.2). The only swallowing monster I can get rid of (and do -- one game I found three scrolls of genocide, without wishing!) is purple worms. After that, I don't think I would genocide anything else. It would take too much fun out of things. By the way, orcs rob shops! -- Ted Hopp {seismo,umcp-cs}!nbs-amrf!hopp
barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) (02/24/86)
In article <158@nbs-amrf.UUCP> hopp@nbs-amrf.UUCP (Ted Hopp) writes: >> Here's a question, what's the first thing you would use a scroll >> of genocide on? What else would you kill if you had more than one? >> >> -ed falk > The author suggests genociding c's and x's first. I concur, but I do it in the reverse order. There, our philosophies diverge. > >If I don't have a ring of fire resistance, I get rid of dragons next. They >are too hard to deal with otherwise. At least I don't know a good strategy >for dealing with them. (Without a scroll of taming, of course :-).) > Not me -- Dragon corpses are too valuable. The way to deal with a dragon is to maneuver until you're at a corner of a hallway, with the D on a diagonal. (Like so: # D #@## ) Usually, in such a position, a Dragon will forget about breathing fire (notice I said USUALLY. There are always exceptions...) and just pound you. Dragons are pretty heavy hitters, but they can be dealt with. And eating the corpse makes you intrinsically fireproof, so you don't have to burn food wearing that ring of fire resistance while marching around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs. (I think the last part is true, but I didn't verify it empirically.) I found out by eating a tin of salmon while down there -- my hands got slippery and my rings fell off...Anyway, once you're fireproof, dragons are fun -- you can use them to kill off other monsters, etc. >After that, I don't think I would genocide anything else. It would take >too much fun out of things. > Agreed. Except in place of Dragons, I put V's. Nasty bloodsuckers. And if I have an abundance of genocides, I take out A's. Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712 "Frankly, there's something about reality that gives me the shivering willies!" -- Hank the Hallucination -- -- barnett@im4u.UTEXAS.EDU, barnett@im4u.UUCP, {ihnp4,harvard,seismo,gatech,ctvax}!im4u!barnett
m1b@rayssd.UUCP (M. Joseph Barone) (02/26/86)
In article <775@im4u.UUCP>, barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes: > around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the > other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the > time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs. > (I think the last part is true, but I didn't verify it empirically.) > I found out by eating a tin of salmon while down there -- my hands > got slippery and my rings fell off...Anyway, once you're fireproof, > dragons are fun -- you can use them to kill off other monsters, etc. In 1.0.3 this is NOT true. I wanted to see if hack kept track of such things so I 'R'emoved my ring of fire resistance around level 29 (coming up, no less) and immediately I was burnt to a cinder with the appropriate message that appears. What is described above sounds like a bug since the necessary checks are not done to determine if you burn or not. (The above description does not make clear whether he had eaten a dragon as well. If he did, that would account for surviving.) Joe Barone, {allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b Raytheon Co, Submarine Signal Div., 1847 West Main Rd, Portsmouth, RI 02871
stephen@dcl-cs.UUCP (Stephen J. Muir) (02/27/86)
In article <775@im4u.UUCP> barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes: >around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the >other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the >time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs. >(I think the last part is true, but I didn't verify it empirically.) >I found out by eating a tin of salmon while down there -- my hands >got slippery and my rings fell off...Anyway, once you're fireproof, Not quite true, if you *take* the ring off you will get killed. -- UUCP: ...!seismo!mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!stephen DARPA: stephen%comp.lancs.ac.uk@ucl-cs | Post: University of Lancaster, JANET: stephen@uk.ac.lancs.comp | Department of Computing, Phone: +44 524 65201 Ext. 4120 | Bailrigg, Lancaster, UK. Project:Alvey ECLIPSE Distribution | LA1 4YR
barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) (02/27/86)
In article <2014@rayssd.UUCP> m1b@rayssd.UUCP (M. Joseph Barone) writes: > >In article <775@im4u.UUCP>, barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes: >> around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the >> other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the >> time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs. > > In 1.0.3 this is NOT true. I wanted to see if hack kept track >of such things so I 'R'emoved my ring of fire resistance around level 29 >(coming up, no less) and immediately I was burnt to a cinder with the >appropriate message that appears. What is described above sounds like >a bug since the necessary checks are not done to determine if you burn >or not. (The above description does not make clear whether he had eaten >a dragon as well. If he did, that would account for surviving.) > >Joe Barone, {allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b >Raytheon Co, Submarine Signal Div., 1847 West Main Rd, Portsmouth, RI 02871 I should have specified that I was talking about Hack 1.0.2. I suppose it is a bug, now that you mention it -- and I hadn't eaten a dragon in that particular game. Here's another question: I was playing that game as a Fighter, and I had killed several dragons (perhaps as many as 5 or 6), but none left corpses. I finally did get a corpse, but D corpses seemed unusually scarce in the game. I'm always suspecting intelligent behavior behind what I know must just be the vagaries of the random number generator in this game, but is there any basis for the suspicion that Fighters don't see D corpses with the same probability that other characters do? Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712 "Frankly, there's something about reality that gives me the shivering willies!" -- Hank the Hallucination -- -- barnett@im4u.UTEXAS.EDU, barnett@im4u.UUCP, {ihnp4,harvard,seismo,gatech,ctvax}!im4u!barnett
ptraynor@bbnccv.UUCP (Patrick Traynor) (02/27/86)
In article <2014@rayssd.UUCP> m1b@rayssd.UUCP (M. Joseph Barone) writes: > >In article <775@im4u.UUCP>, barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) writes: >> around hell. But... (Spoiler alert...) I discovered by accident the >> other day that you really don't need to wear the ring around all the >> time... only when you first enter Hell, and when you climb stairs. >> (I think the last part is true, but I didn't verify it empirically.) >> I found out by eating a tin of salmon while down there -- my hands >> got slippery and my rings fell off...Anyway, once you're fireproof, >> dragons are fun -- you can use them to kill off other monsters, etc. > > In 1.0.3 this is NOT true. I wanted to see if hack kept track >of such things so I 'R'emoved my ring of fire resistance around level 29 >(coming up, no less) and immediately I was burnt to a cinder ( ... ) On 1.0.2 I did the same thing and got the same results: 'The fires of hell burn you to a crisp' [r.i.p.] Lewis, I think you must have eaten a dragon corpse and then forgot. I know how easy it is to forget that I HAVEN'T eaten one and then go to the center of the earth. (I hate it when that happens...) --pat traynor-- -- uucp: ...!harvard!bbnccv!bbncc7!ptraynor arpa: ptraynor@bbncc7