US.JD@CU20B.ARPA (Jeff Damens) (08/31/85)
Info-Kermit Digest Fri, 30 Aug 1985 Volume 3 : Number 14 Departments: UNIX KERMIT - Bug (?) in C-Kermit 4C MS-DOS KERMIT - Concurrent DOS KERMIT CMS/TSO KERMIT - CMS Kermit Improvements? KERMIT-TSO and 7171 (2 messages) CMS KERMIT and Yale 2.0 (2 messages) MISCELLANY - More on sliding windows Kermit for the PRO Getting K11 on floppies 6809 Kermit BTOS Kermit Kermit for TI 99/4A CompuPro KERMIT version wanted to work with Hayes Micromodem. CROSS and other queries Prime Kermit Plea for help Kermit/milnet Kermit over TELENET: Help Needed Kermit for Fortune 32:16 Kermit on VMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Aug 1985 1612-EDT From: B.Eiben LCG Ext 617-467-4431 <EIBEN at DEC-MARLBORO.ARPA> Subject: More "sliding WINDOWS" The gist for micro's lays NOT in the fact, that they have [or haven't] an interrupt-structure [infact having none is cleaner then having "something"]. The PROBLEM typically is the "floppy-controler" i.e FD17xx , which delivers data "fast" enough , so that one has to TURN OFF interrupts during READ/WRITE but SLOW enough to lead easily to character-loss during floppy-processing. The typical coding sequence [very innocent] looks like DI Call Write/Read Sector EI ... that alone makes "sliding WINDOWS" impossible - since one eventually HAS to write the stuff to the disk - and there's NO TRICK to stop the SENDER from sending - except for "holding back ACKs" - and that takes away most of the advertised speed-improvements. Obviously the "sector-time" window is dependant on the media-speed [floppies will be LOOSERs compared to winnies] and the amount of 'character lossage' depends on the channel-speed [ at 1200 baud one might loose NOTHING , since the window is about one char-time, and thats hanging around in the USART ... at higher speeds it'll be one or more lost char's - i.e. a full NAK/resend packet cycle ] - so as seen from the "innocent bystander" we now have introduced a feature , which might "work for me" but "not for You" - i.e. the same MICRO connected to the same Mainframe will "win" or "fail" depending on storage medium and/or channel-speed == in my mind NOT A GOOD IDEA . Rgds, Bernie. ------------------------------ Date: Wed 7 Aug 85 17:58:06-PDT From: Wing Lee <WingLee%ECLD@ECLA> Subject: KERMIT-TSO and 7171 I hate to keep on bugging you about KERMIT-TSO and the 7171, but my boss keeps on asking me if there is any news. This is our situation. We installed the Series/1 version of KERMIT-TSO on our 3081, in March of 1985. Everything worked fine, and everybody was happy. In May, we replaced our Series/1 with an IBM 7171, so that we could have more lines going into TSO. That's when our problems started. Going through the 7171, we were able to download but not upload. When we tried to upload, the file transfer would hang at random places. When I used DEBUG mode to look at the packets, I saw that the tranfer would always stop right after a file transfer. As soon as I discovered this, I sent a message to Columbia asking for help. In the meantime, we have put together a makeshift way to get KERMIT-TSO to work. On our 3081, we run both MVS/TSO and VM/CMS. Our ascii interface to TSO is an IBM 7171, our ascii interface to CMS is a SERIES/1. We have been able to have users who wish to do file transfer to TSO, to use the CMS Series/1. Then they would DIAL MVSA and connect to our MVS system. That works. But now our Systems people are thinking of replacing the CMS Series/1 with another 7171. When we told them that this would disable are ability to use KERMIT altogether, they said that our TSO KERMIT is not supported by Columbia, and we should not be using TSO Kermit on our TSO system until Columbia has a supported version. Thus we should not even have the package on our system. My question is, does Columbia support the Series/1 version of KERMIT-TSO? [Ed. - No. We don't run TSO.] wing ------------------------------ Date: Wed 7 Aug 85 19:10:07-PDT From: Wing Lee <WingLee%ECLD@ECLA> Subject: kermit-tso and 7171 in my last message i said, that when uploading, the transfer stops right after a file transfer. i meant that the transfer stops right after a bad packet. i should have reread my message more carefully before i sent it out. wing ------------------------------ From: Gary Mills <mills%uofm-uts.cdn%ubc.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa> Subject: 6809 Kermit Does anyone have a version of Kermit for the 6809 CPU, with Flex-9 or OS/9 operating systems? C or assembler languages would be suitable. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 85 13:04 EST From: Larry Afrin <lbafrin%clemson.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa> Subject: Bug (?) in C-Kermit 4C Hi, I just got the latest version of 4C a few days ago (the one the Digest swore would be the "absolute last" release of 4C). I compiled it for a System V system, and the problem I noticed occurred when I was "get"ting some stuff from SIMTEL20. The files on SIMTEL that I was transferring had names like ABCDEF. and GHIJKLMN. (the point here being that they're all upper-case, as you would expect from a TOPS-20 system). I wanted to transfer them to my UNIX system and give them the same, upper-case filenames, just without the dot. I knew that if I told my local Kermit "get ABCDEF." or "get ABCDEF", it was going to do some funky translation of the name (for what reasons, I don't know; I just remember seeing somewhere that Kermit adjusts filenames for the "conventions" of your system, which in UNIX usually means all lower-case), which isn't what I wanted. So I figured I would just type in "get" and let it prompt me for the remote filespec and the local filespec. For the remote filespec I entered "ABCDEF.", and for the local filespec I entered "ABCDEF". The transfer then started up ... "IRSF" and wham! my local Kermit told me "ABCDEF. => abcdef", which wasn't what I wanted. My whole point here is, if Kermit goes to the trouble of asking you exactly what you want your local filespec to be, shouldn't it refrain from translating that name (in this case from uppercase to lowercase)? In fact, why can't the "get" command be set up so that (1) if you don't give a command line filespec and it goes ahead and prompts you, it shouldn't translate either the remote or local filespecs; and (2) if you do give a command line filespec, it should be interpreted as the *exact* filespec for the local system, but it should be "appropriately" translated to make the remote Kermit happy. I'm not 100% sure that (2) is "right", but I do feel that (1) is right. Oh, yeah, one more thing: Also during this transfer operation with SIMTEL20, I tried this command: "get *.c". Assuming my SIMTEL filenames matching this spec were ABC.C, DEF.C, GHI.C, and JKL.C, this is what my local Kermit reported to me during the transfer: ABC.C => *.c DEF.C => def.c GHI.C => ghi.c JKL.C => jkl.c and yes, sure enough, my local Kermit really did create a filename called "*.c". Now, is this a bug, or did I just specify my "get" command incorrectly? Thanks for any info, advice, etc., you can provide. -- Larry Afrin Dept. of Computer Science Clemson University Please send replies, if any, to: lbafrin@clemson if you're on CSNet lbafrin.clemson@csnet-Relay if you're on ARPANet ------------------------------ Date: Mon 12 Aug 85 09:15:36-EDT From: Bill Catchings <OC.WBC3@CU20B.ARPA> Subject: BTOS Kermit The best version of Kermit to work with for the Burroughs BTOS is probably C Kermit. I do not know for a fact that Burroughs supplies C for BTOS, but Convergent Technologies (the maker of the B-20 series) supplies a C for CTOS (The "parent" of BTOS). My knowledge of BTOS is limited, but I believe that CTOS and BTOS are pretty close. The C for CTOS is pretty poor, based on Mark Williams C, and the terminal/file transfer product that CT supplies is terrible. After 40 screens it starts over at the first screen. Very annoying. I plan to be working on a CTOS version of C Kermit in the next few weeks. If I succeed in getting one working it will be announced on Info-Kermit. If not you'll have to try yourself. -Bill Catchings ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 85 19:58:34 EDT From: Peter DiCamillo <CMSMAINT%BROWNVM.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA> Subject: CMS Kermit Improvements? The latest version of CMS Kermit includes features which make it very attractive to users at Brown. These include support for Series/1 connections, binary data transfer, and server mode. As a result, the Computer Center plans to recommend Kermit as the standard file transfer program between CMS and IBM PCs, Macintoshes, and other micros. In evaluating CMS Kermit, we noticed that, as documented, server mode only supports GET, SEND, FINISH, and BYE. This is very obvious to the Macintosh user who has a menu of server commands, most of which are not supported by CMS Kermit. Also, it would be useful to us if CMS Kermit could preserve the date and time of files whenever possible. Is any work planned or in progress to add these features? If not, I may attempt to add them myself. [Ed. - Kermit allows you to create the file on the destination computer with the same write date and time as on the source computer. This requires however supporting attribute packet. At this time, CMS Kermit does not support attribute packets although it may do so in the future. If you'd like to add the support, let us know so there won't be a duplication of effort on the part of some other ambitious soul. ] ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 1985 23:45-EST From: Sanjay Kapur <kapur%tesla%sbcs.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa> Subject: kermit for the pro Is there a version of kermit available for the DEC PRO350 running the Professional Operating System? Where can I get a copy of it? [Ed. - yes. It's the k11 version, available on the distribution tape or in numerous other ways (see following message).] ------------------------------ Date: 10 AUG 85 12:04-EST From: BRIAN%UOFT02.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: GETTING K11 ON FLOPPIES In Response to Kermit Digest re RX0x dist. Getting K11 on various media K11AAA.AAA Updated 14-JUN-1985 09:22 Brian Nelson Kermit-11 Edit history: K11CMD.MAC Kermit-11 Installation: K11INS.DOC Kermit-11 Documentation: K11HLP.HLP (no separate user manual) Kermit-11 Files: K11FIL.DOC Please note that while Kermit-11 uses RMS11 for all versions (RT11 excluded) you do not need RMS on your system unless you opt to use the versions linked to RMSRES (K11.TSK for RSTS/E and K11POS.TSK for M/M+ and P/OS). For further information, please read K11INS.DOC To get Kermit-11 and all the other Kermits: KERMIT Distribution Columbia University Center for Computing Activities 7th Floor, Watson Laboratory 612 West 115th Street New York, N.Y. 10025 There is also a fairly current copy of Kermit-11 available from DECUS, order number 11-731. As of June 1985 the DECUS library has Kermit-11 available on RX01's and RX50's (in RT and P/OS format). Additionally, the SIG tapes almost always have a current version on them. To get Kermit-11 from the author: Mail: 800bpi DOS-11 format 1600 bpi tape DOS-11, ANSI or VMS Backup RX01 RT format, binaries only RX50 RT or P/OS (readable on Micro/RSX), delays are possible since I have only one PRO/350 and one hard disk. For tapes, VMS Backup format is preferred (default if not specified). For RSTS/E, V9 Backup format is preferred. V9 backup is NOT compatible with previous releases of RSTS/E, but IS compatible with VMS backup. You must supply the media (extras are nice to offset the cost). Brian Nelson Computer Services University of Toledo 2801 West Bancroft Toledo, Oh 43606 (419) 537-2841 or BRIAN@UOFT02.BITNET Bitnet: from VM/CMS: CP SMSG RSCS MSG UOFT02 KERMSRV DIR CP SMSG RSCS MSG UOFT02 KERMSRV SEND K11*.* from VMS Jnet: $ SEN/REM UOFT02 KERMSRV SEND K11*.* Columbia University maintains a BITNET Kermit server also, username KERMSRV node CUVMA. Command format is similiar to the VMS KERMSRV on node UOFT01. Dialup: (419) 537-4411 Service class VX785A User: KERMIT Password: KERMIT Source and hex files are in KER:, binaries are in KERBIN: ------------------------------ Date: Mon 19 Aug 85 05:33:45-PDT From: GARGARO@USC-ECLB.ARPA Subject: Kermit for TI 99/4A Gentlemen- I am trying to locate a version of Kermit for the Texas Instruments 99/4A Home Computer. I have been informed that one exists or is currently under implementation. I would appreciate any information that you may have regarding Kermit for the TI 99/4A. Anthony Gargaro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 85 12:23:44 EDT From: David Roth (Ft. Benj. Harrison) <droth@BRL.ARPA> Subject: CompuPro KERMIT version wanted to work with Hayes Micromodem. We need help on getting a version of KERMIT for the CompuPro running CP/M 2.2LD to work with a Hayes Micromodem 100 using the microcoupler. We have the source to KER:CPMPRO.M80 from Columbia University but it is for use with Compupro Interfacer 3/4. Thanks in advance. David A. Roth droth@brl-bmd US Mail: COMMANDER USA Soldier Support Center ATSG-DTU-S Attn: Mr. David A. Roth Fort Benjamin Harrison, IN 46216-5590 AUTOVON:699-4298 FTS:335-4298 COMMERCIAL:(317) 542-4298 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 85 13:44:28 edt From: jax-lab!jng (John N Guidi) Subject: Concurrent DOS KERMIT I would like to run KERMIT on a Concurrent DOS, IBM PC/AT system. Is there a separate Concurrent DOS distribution? If not, can one use the PC-DOS KERMIT while running Concurrent DOS? If this is the case, are there any caveates to keep in mind? Thanks. John Guidi The Computing Service The Jackson Laboratory Bar Harbor, ME 04609 phone: (207)288-3371 uucp: ...!decvax!unh!jaxlab!jng bitnet: jaxlab@maine ------------------------------ Date: Friday, 16 August 1985 15:51-MDT From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: CROSS and other queries NetLandians, Could someone please point me to the documentation/instructions for CROSS - the cross assembler available on some TOPS-20 hosts, and used extensively for KERMIT applications. [Ed. - Take a look in psb:<micros>cross.* on Cu20B.] Second: Is CROSS proprietary or public domain? [Ed. - I think it's public domain.] Third: What happened to CU20B as a host? The KERMIT archives are out there (Columbia University), and I saw the msg they were moving the archives to another disk... but when trying to FTP to CU20B, I get an unknown host error. Can anyone point me right? [Ed. - Cu20b underwent some disk reshuffling, but it should be back online now. ] Thanks in advance, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 85 07:53 PDT From: "Chase Lila"@LLL-MFE.ARPA Subject: Prime Kermit Can the Prime Kermit transfer binary files? chase@lll-mfe.arpa ------------------------------ From: bierma@nprdc.arpa (Larry Bierma) Date: 20 August 1985 0953-PDT (Tuesday) Subject: CMS KERMIT and Yale 2.0 Is CMS KERMIT supposed to work through a Series/1 running version 2.0 of the Yale software? Whenever we start the server it hangs up the line. Everything works fine in line mode through a 3704, and in page mode through a 7171, it's just the series/1 that hangs up. [Ed. - We use CMS Kermit through a Series/1 running the version 2.0 of the Yale Ascii code and version 3.2 of EDX all the time without any problems. The way this works is Kermit puts the S/1 into transparent mode. It sounds like you don't have the most up-to-date software for the S/1. ] --Larry ARPA: bierma@nprdc.arpa UUCP: {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!sdcsla!nprdc!bierma PSTN: (619) 225-2161 ------------------------------ Date: Tue 20 Aug 85 15:34:52-CDT From: CMP.STARCH@UTEXAS-20.ARPA Subject: plea for help Hi I am trying to find a way to connect my Vax (VMS 4.1) to our HP 1000 running the RTE-A operating system. Is there a Kermit out there for this OS. I looked and found the one for a previous HP1000 operating system (RT6/vm or some such moniker) Please respond to CMP.STARCH@UTEXAS-20.ARPA, as I am not on the INFO-KERMIT discussion. Steve Kneuper Lockheed Austin Division (512)386-1676 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 1985 1541-PST From: Contr36 <CONTR36 at NOSC-TECR> Subject: kermit/milnet from: Paul Attermeier Sandia National Labs Albuquerque, NM (505) 844-1106 I am trying to transfer some files from a VAX at the Naval Ocean Systems Center back to my machine using Kermit. I have had no success so far and the problem seems to lie somewhere in the MILNET connection. I'm running Kermit on a VAX/780 under Ultrix. (The header reads 'C-Kermit 4.2 (030) Prerelease #2, 5 March 85, 4.2 BSD). I've been able to transfer files from another local 780 running VMS and a version of Kermit (VMS Kermit-32 version 3.0.052) that appears to be older than the one on the NOSC machine, (VMS Kermit-32 version 3.1.062) so I don't think there is a Kermit version incompatibility problem. Whenever I try a Kermit file transfer across MILNET, it just tries for a minute or two and then times out. Do you know of any Kermit or MILNET parameters which need to be changed from their defaults? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 09:57 EST From: Larry Afrin <lbafrin%clemson.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa> Subject: Kermit over TELENET: Help Needed Fellow Frog Lovers, I would like to use Kermit for file transfer between my IBM PC and an NCR Tower running System V UNIX. Both machines are running the latest versions of Kermit available for them. The only problem is that GTE TELENET is in the middle. (From the PC's Kermit I dial TELENET's local number and then give the connect code (host address) by which TELENET knows the Tower.) Something with TELENET is preventing file transfer from working (the initialization packets don't even make it through). Does anyone out there have either (1) a proven method for using Kermit over TELENET or (2) an explanation of why such may be impossible? Any help, advice, pointers, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance... -- Larry Afrin Dept. of Computer Science Clemson University Please send replies, if any, to: lbafrin@clemson if you're on CSNet lbafrin.clemson@csnet-Relay if you're on ARPANet ------------------------------ Date: Wednesday, 21 August 1985 08:59-MDT From: Steve Westfall <ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!west@Ucb-Vax.ARPA> Subject: Kermit for Fortune 32:16 The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists at the University of Chicago has a Fortune 32:16 computer. The system administrator has had problems getting kermit to work with his Fortune and would like to get in touch with anyone who has helpful information about this. Please get in touch with the following person, not me: Barry Bowen Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists 5801 S. Kenwood Chicago, Illinois 60637 312-363-5225 UUCP: ...ihnp4!gargoyle!xeno Thanks. Steve Westfall Uucp: ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!west Senior Staff Analyst Bitnet: staff.westfall@UChicago.bitnet U. of Chicago Computation Center Mailnet: staff.westfall@UChicago.Mailnet ------------------------------ Date: 22 Aug 1985 12:32-EDT Subject: kermit on vms From: ZAKAR@USC-ISI.ARPA I am trying to connect a VAX/VMS system to a VAX/UNIX 4.2 system using KERMIT. The UNIX side is running version 4C (CK*) and the VMS side is running the MACRO version (VMS*.MAR). The link is made up of ports of DMF32s on both machines. If someone else has tried this before, I need to talk to them because I may not have set up the VMS environment correctly. From the UNIX side I can CONNECT to VMS just like a terminal with no problems. On the VMS side though, when I CONNECT to UNIX, I have a problem with data overrunning buffers, as though there were no flow control. Any help would be appreciated. Joe Zakar Zakar at USC-ISI ------------------------------ End of Info-Kermit Digest ************************* -------