[net.religion.christian] Anti-Literalist Response to Boskovich

tim@cmu-cs-k.ARPA (Tim Maroney) (06/04/85)

What struck me most about Boskovich's pamphlet was the general shoddiness of
the essay.  It is practically a plagiarism of C. S. Lewis, Josh McDowell,
and a few Intervarsity Christian Fellowship pamphlets.  Long sections are
conceptually identical with their sources, adding nothing, paraphrasing
instead of writing.  In a term paper, this would get you a "D"; in
publishing, it can get you sued, though plagiarism is hard to prove in
almost all cases.

Further, Boskovich repeatedly demonstrates his ignorance of history and of
comparative religion, usually by parroting a mistake from one of his
sources.  He seems to have researched the essay completely from
pro-Christian tracts, and not done any outside research of his own.  For
instance, he deals with Herodotus and Caesar's Gallic Wars as if modern-day
historians treated them as infallible.  This is a common implication in
McDowell and IVCF publications, but in fact, both of these "histories" are
viewed with great skepticism by modern scholars.  They are considered
suggestive, nothing more, and are known to be riddled with inaccuracies.
Boskovich says, "to reject the New Testament records without rejecting all
other historical documents and regarding them unreliable, would be to act in
utter bias and absurdity."  I agree.  Modern historians DO consider all
ancient historical documents unreliable.  The Gospels are no exception; to
consider them alone infallible is to act in utter bias and absurdity.

This implied falsehood about other documents is in the midst of a proof of
how faithful to the originals the New Testament is.  But of course this is
all beside the point; a lie can be reproduced as faithfully as a truth, and
the number of copies of something has nothing to do with its veracity.  To
overlook this obvious fact is proof that the person is trying to support a
conclusion he has already accepted, or that he is extremely stupid.  I
prefer to believe the former of anyone who can type.

There is more amusing ignorance all through the pamphlet.  I believe Padraig
already pointed out that the Hindu Mahabharata disproves Boskovich's claims
that, of all scriptures, only the Bible reveals the flaws as well as the
virtues of the main characters.  He did not mention the Vedas, which put the
lie to the following claims of Biblical uniqueness while demonstrating
Boskovich's high-school proclivity for sentence fragments:  "Written over a
1500 year span; 40 generations.  Written by over 40 authors from every walk
of life (Kings, peasants, poets, fisherman, herdsman, doctor, tax collector
etc.)  Written in different places:  In the wilderness, in dungeons, in a
palace, in prisons etc.  Written during different moods:  Written in war
time, peace time, heights of joy, depths of sorrow."  All these are true of
the Vedas as well, which pre-date the Bible considerably.

In fact, if we are to introduce uniqueness as a criterion, we have just
thrown out the whole Biblical approach to morality, which in its list of
taboos can be traced back to a human invention, the Code of Hammurabi.  From
a non-human source we would expect to find some approach genuinely different
from that invented by humans, not simply a warmed-over version of the
Pharonic decrees at the time of the Exodus.

Boskovich claims that the Bible is free of any inaccuracy.  Snarf snarf
snarf.  Of course you say that, you're a fundamentalist Christian.  A
fundamentalist Moslem would as fervently defend the absolute validity of the
Quran, and any Orthodox Jew will be only too happy to point out to you the
many prophecies about the Messiah which Jesus did NOT fulfill.  Even
Christians cannot agree among themselves as to what the Bible is saying on
many issues, such as the role of works in salvation.

Actually, I have been too kind in the paragraph above.  What he really said
was "The Bible, is the only religious book in which there has never been
found a legitimate error."  Let us all go sit on Boskovich's doorstep until
he tells us what "legitimate errors" he finds in the Tao Teh Ching and the
Dhammapadda.  (What's that?  He never read them?  Well, surprise, surprise,
surprise!)

In his frantic graspings for some valid and significant uniqueness
criterion, Boskovich displays time and again the poverty of his knowledge of
religions, even of non-Protestant Christianity.  "The bible is unique in its
teaching about salvation. All religions of the world have one thing in
common. They all portray salvation as attainable through human effort. The
natural desire of man to earn merit is completely absent in the writers of
scripture as they, one by one, from Genesis to Revelation, illustrate the
inadequecy of man and the Gracious gift of God: Salvation!"  Apparently
Boskovich is completely unaware that most mystical religious traditions do
not view salvation as a thing attainable through effort -- it is only when
the desire for salvation is snuffed out, and effort ceases, that salvation
may come.  He has never heard of shamanistic religions, it seems, since
these frequently have no real concept of salvation.  He is also unaware that
in Catholic theology deliberate works are an absolutely vital part of
salvation.  When Boskovich generalizes about religions, you may take it as
given that he is wrong, since he is clearly arguing from a position of
ignorance.

One of the funniest parts of Boskovich's pamphlet is a part which I believe
he cribbed directly from an IVCF pamphlet: "The very restrained portrait of
Christ testifies to their inspiration. One only has to read the mythologies
of various cultures to see the propensity of man to embellish the truth with
fantastic imagination.  Even the non-biblical writings of Jesus, portray him
as a childhood prodigy instructing His schoolteachers with hidden mysteries
in the alphabet and astounding His family and playmates with miraculous
works.  One story has Jesus, age 5, fashioning 12 sparrows out of clay on
the Sabbath. When questioned by His father about such activity, Jesus
clapped His hands and the sparrows flew away chirping!  In total contrast,
the Bible portrays the miracles of Christ with straight forward simplicity.
The biblical writers purpose is not to entertain or to sensationalize, but
to demonstrate the power, authority, and glory of Christ."  Ah.  Raising the
dead and walking around after death with holes in your body is simple and
restrained.  Making clay sparrows (totally in line with the attributes of
YHVH as described in Genesis, by the way), on the other hand, is
sensationalized fantasy.  Thanks for making that so very clear.  Seriously,
this is another example of Boskovich's willingness to invert logic and claim
his "conclusions" as facts: the Biblical account is true, the apocryphal
accounts false, so the latter are ludicrous while the former are reasonable.

A silly, exaggerated miracle story would be that a giant platypus stopped a
flood of chocolate from destroying this year's marshmallows; but there is no
way we can say that making living birds is sillier than restoring dead
humans to life, without being arbitrary.  Nor can we say that a story in
which Jesus instructs his childhood playmates in the alphabet is any sillier
than a story in which he befuddles some aged rabbis with his knowledge of
the Torah at age 12.

Another quote from the section on uniqueness demonstrating Boskovich's
abysmal ignorance of other religions follows: "The bible has survived
various attacks and attempts to destroy it."  Somewhat true, but the world
record in that area has to be held by the Talmud, which Christians tried to
eradicate for centuries.  So should we all be Jews now, instead of
Christians, Mr. Boskovich, or should we just ignore your uniqueness
criteria?

Now we segue into Boskovich's attempts to use Josh McDowell's research
results.  First, as has been pointed out many times, McDowell seems never to
seriously consider the possibility of later Christian interpolations into
texts.  Most of McDowell's "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" consists of
passages which are almost unanimously considered interpolations by modern
scholars.  At least that is what I have been told; I believe it because from
reading McDowell's book on the occult, one of my specialty fields of
knowledge, it was obvious that he is an extremely shallow and uncritical
researcher.  (I mean, not knowing about the Golden Dawn, for Had's sake!
Practically all twentieth century occultism comes straight from it!)  So I
need have no hesitation in dismissing the entire discussion on "external
writings" as fabrication.  Is that unfair?  No, it's McDowell's karma; if he
had been scrupulous in his research, I would not have this attitude, and if
Boskovich had not shown himself so willing to plagiarize, I would not
dismiss him as a bargain-basement McDowell.

Of course, about half of Boskovich's quotes are silly and pointless anyway.
Who cares, for instance, that Tertullian's works contains quotes from the
Gospels?  That proves nothing at all even if it is authentic.  The same goes
for Pliny mentioning the existence of Christians to Trajan.  So there were
Christians then; there are Christians now, too, and that doesn't prove
anything about the veracity of Christian mythology.  So Suetonius reported
that Rome expelled Semitic Christians in 120 A.D.; once again, big hairy
deal.  So "Mara bar-Serapion" found the mythology of the Christians useful
for literary effect around 75 A.D.; none of these, or the many other
irrelevant quotes I have omitted for space reasons, has any bearing on
proving the veracity of the Bible.

As far as the existence question is concerned, my feeling on the subject is
that there probably was a self-styled prophet Jesus of Nazareth, but you
have to look at the history of the early Christians before evaluating the
books which concern him.  There were tons of warring Christian sects, many
of whose works were declared apocryphal by the sect that attained dominance.
There is no reason to think that the sect which won the war was necessarily
the sect whose books accurately recorded the life and sayings of Jesus, if
in fact any sect did so.  In fact, there is stylistic evidence that Mark was
not written by any single person, implying that some of it is simply
interpolation; and of course we all know that Matthew and Luke are just
rehashed versions of Mark written years later by people who never met Jesus.

I was all over the issue of the resurrection with Bickford some time ago.
He just stoppered his ears and launched broadsides at me, and I never got
any feedback that indicated he or any other fundamentalist Christian had
read a single word I wrote.  Let's hope I can do better this time.

"Where did the body go?"  How do you know it went anywhere?  The
resurrection story may well be an interpolation; if you read Mark it
certainly reads that way (unless you read one of the translations, like the
KJ, that superimposes its own style on everything and obscures the
underlying styles).

Or let's say that the story is at least right about the corpse's
disappearance.  Boskovich admits that someone could have stolen it, but says
no one could have done so because he can't think of any reason they would.
The disciples, the people who had the most to gain from stealing this and
fabricating a resurrection story, are excluded because "they were scared".
I thought the early Christians were supposed to be fairly good at ignoring
their fears and defying the Romans even at the cost of their lives?  In any
case, a blatantly immoral act by the authorities, such as killing an
innocent or openly rigging an election, usually serves to radicalize people,
once the shock wears off.

But it doesn't have to be the disciples.  Remember the superstitious state
of medicine in those days.  If Jesus was considered a healer, it would have
been perfectly natural for some doctor to retrieve and experiment with the
body, thinking it might have some inherent curative powers.  (Thanks to M.
Moorcock for that suggestion.) There are any number of other possible
reasons to steal a body; dismissing the Jewish and Roman authorities as the
perpetrators is hardly an exhaustive treatment of the possibilities.

"What about the 500 people Jesus appeared to?"  What 500 people?  One, count
him, one person who was already converted, and who wanted to convert others,
wrote down this story, that Jesus had appeared before 500 people.  This is
NOT the same thing as eyewitness evidence, because the person could have
fabricated the whole thing.

Why didn't the Romans or Jews produce the body to disprove the resurrection?
Look, if you can't figure that one out yourself in under a minute you might
as well not bother with trying to think.  I'll spell it out: Fables take
time to spread, especially without mass media.  Decomposition does not.  One
five-year-decomposed male corpse looks about the same as any other.
Producing the corpse would prove nothing; for all we know, they tried it.
There is also, again, the possibility that it was stolen.  Finally, the
Romans did not attempt to persecute the Christians by dogmatic debate, but
by rounding them up and getting rid of them, so it may never have occurred
to the Romans to attack the dogmas instead of the people.

Citing the transformation in the Apostles' lives is a real high point of
foolishness in the pamphlet.  Do you think the same couldn't be said for any
religion whatsoever, and most revolutionary political movements?  Do you
really think that Saul's conversion proves the veracity of the New Testament
in some way?  Any religion, and, again, most political movements, can point
out equally unlikely conversions.  Why would Gautama have cast off his status
as prince to become an ascetic, unless he really was the Buddha?

"What about prophecies of Christ's death?"  Four explanations suggest
themselves: first, an authentic ability to predict the future; second, later
interpolations of the prophecies, after their "fulfillment"; third, that the
crucifixion story is a fabrication made up to parallel Psalm 22 (actually,
Boskovich, the only real parallel is in casting lots for the clothes -- the
similarity between the Psalm and Jesus' words is not any sort of fulfillment
of prophecy, since Jesus simply chose to say words he was already familiar
with, possibly even because of the parallel with the lots); fourth,
self-fulfilling prophecy, that Jesus deliberately undertook a suicidal
course for whatever reason.

Boskovich begins his wrap up with a blatant plagiarism of C. S. Lewis'
"savior, liar, or madman" argument, for which, characteristically, he gives
no credit.  Also characteristically, he overlooks other possibilities.  The
real trick here is "madman": the word conjures up images of a straitjacketed
cretin, foaming at the mouth, which is clearly not consistent with the Jesus
of the Gospels.  But anyone with a psychology education knows that there are
delusions and delusions, and that a "madman" may appear extremely
intelligent and even wise.  Laing had not yet appeared in Lewis' day, but
Boskovich has no such excuse.  There is no inconsistency in the view that
the Gospels are mostly correct in recording Jesus' teaching and Jesus was
deluded into believing himself a messiah.  There is also no inconsistency in
the view that many of the more self-exalting statements of Jesus were
interpolations by personality cultists after his death.  These are two
possibilities which Lewis and Boskovich conveniently overlook; there are
others, but the point is made.

Boskovich closes with the most self-serving and absurd argument of the
pamphlet: "There can be no greater proof of Christianity than the proof of
the thirst of our souls for that something that seems to be missing."  The
name of any other religion could be substituted for "Christianity" there,
and the truth value of the sentence would be precisely the same.  So how
could such a statement even arise in Boskovich's mind?  It is clear that he
sees only two real choices, fundamentalist Christianity or atheism.  Now we
see why he has not bothered to study other religions; he has never
considered that they might be valid.  It is Christianity alone or nothing
for him.

Do not cling to the tiny God you have imagined; He is a She and an It and
Nothing At All, and from THAT came Krishna and Dionysus and Buddha and Lao
Tzu and Jesus and Mohammed and Therion and Mosheh and Zoroaster and all
other prophets.  Your religious understanding can only suffer from locking
yourself in a tiny closet and desperately pretending the world does not
exist, all the while coming up with hundreds of arguments why you should
stay in the closet.  Jesus will still love you in the full rays of the Sun.

To quote the Prophet of the Silver Star, "The more necessary anything
appears to my mind, the more certain it is that I only assert a limitation.
I slept with Faith, and found a corpse in my arms on awaking; I drank and
danced all night with Doubt, and found her a virgin in the morning." And:
"All words are sacred and all prophets true".  And: "Only loobies find
excellence in these words."
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mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) (06/04/85)

In large part, I have to agree with Tim's criticism of the Boskovich
manifesto.

[And now a brief pause while the world ends.]

The gospels are not written as history, and playing "four out of five
ancient manuscripts" is a foolish road to "truth".  Lumping Josh McDowell
with C. S. Lewis surely distorts the latter's writings, since Lewis was an
Anglican and (from the testimony of his writings) held the view that
scripture was not to be uniformly taken literally.

On the other hand, [you knew there was a qualification coming, didn't you]
Tim implies incorrectly that the authority for the ressurection comes out of
the Gospels alone, in the following passage:

>  "What about the 500 people Jesus appeared to?"  What 500 people?  One,
>  count him, one person who was already converted, and who wanted to convert
>  others, wrote down this story, that Jesus had appeared before 500 people.

The principal testimony is that passed down through the church; in
particular, the Catholic, Eastern, Lutheran and Anglican churches express
this sacramentally in the apostolic succession.  There is a unbroken chain
of laying on of hands from (say) the Episcopal bishop of Washington all the
way back to the apostles.  The gospels also provide a witness, but they are
written for believers, to explain and define.

Interestingly enough, many Christians do not "disbelieve" in the Buddha--
myself included.  Many of us drink at the wells of Buddhism and Taoism,
although I think that trying to "merge" East and West is wrong.  While
Buddhism and Christianity arrive at many similar ideas about the nature of
the world, the cosmologies of each are diametrically opposed; Christianity
is as doggedly insistent on the reality of the world as Buddhism is on its
illusory nature.

Charley Wingate   umcp-cs!mangoe

   "Let Jakim with the Satyr, bless God in the Dance."   C. Swift