[net.religion.christian] Why you should believe

hedrick@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (Charles Hedrick) (10/23/85)

In response to article <2309@ukma.UUCP> slg@ukma.UUCP (Sean Gilley).

My first comment is that wanting to believe in God because it makes
things easier may not be the best place to start.  Of course there are
plenty of people who have turned to God because they are afraid of
death.  Some of then have probably gone on to become fine Christians.
But I don't think it is the ideal place to start.  In the long run, a
Christian has to feel God calling him, and to see God at work in the
world.  It has to be very frustrating to set out to manufacture these
perceptions when they have no basis in your actual experience.  I
envision coming to see God as a process of becoming more sensitive to
the spiritual implications of what is going on around us, and what has
gone on in the history of Israel and the Church.  It is hard to see
how someone can become more sensitive when he is gritting his teeth
and trying to manufacture a faith he doesn't feel, because he wants to
believe that he is going to live forever.  At best (or maybe I should
say worst) this is likely to produce a neurotic sort of Christianity,
which is as much self-deception as it is anything else.  Furthermore,
if what you are looking for is an easy approach to life, where
everything comes out rosy, the good guys always win, and we understand
all of life's mysteries, Christianity is not the right place for you.
Quite frankly, we do not have all the answers.  Yes, I suppose it is
nice to believe that we will live forever.  But it is also unpleasant
to have God butting in our lives all the time.  And we do not have
terribly convincing answers to some basic questions, like for example
why a good God allows people to suffer.

As for your friend who says you are going to Hell.  Is somebody really
saying that to you?  From the New Testament on down, the Christians
who are close to God have been very wary about making judgements on
the status of others.  We have enough problems with ourselves.  God's
call takes very different forms for different people.  From the
outside it is impossible to know what God is trying to do with you,
and therefore how close you are to him.  About all one could validly
say is *if* you reject God, you will lose something eternally
important.  But whether you are currently on the road to heaven or
hell is something that will be visible only in retrospect, when your
life is finally totalled up.  There may be situations where someone is
so frivilous that it is worth emphasizing the seriousness of the
decisions he is making.  But I do not get the impression that such
frivolity is your problem.

On the other hand, I don't agree that because you believe in helping
others, you are necessarily on the right road.  There are lots of
possible motivations for things, even good things.  If you look deep
enough, it is easy enough to be doing good things for entirely hateful
reasons.  Indeed the experience of most Christians is that at some
fundamental level, everything we do is flawed.  I'm not saying that
you should start murdering people, nor am I minimizing the importance
of high ethical standards within Christianity.  I am simply explaining
that Christians do good deeds in response to God's call to do so.  If
you do them for some other reason, it's still good for the people
around you, but it may not say anything about your spiritual
situation.

You ask how God could reject people who follow other religions.  You
have put your finger on a question that is not entirely resolved
within the Church.  On the one hand, Christians believe that Christ
reveals God in a unique way.  However most of us are no longer
comfortable with the old idea that other religions know nothing (or
even more quaint: that the good ideas in them were introduced by Satan
to make them more plausible traps for the unwary).  The way I try to
resolve the issue is this: As a Christian, I believe that God's
relationship with the world is mediated through Christ.  But a person
can have a relationship with God without knowing that it is through
Christ.  He will no doubt be better off if he knows what he is doing.
And if the religion he follows is sufficiently far off track, a person
following it may become someone who is incapable of a relationship
with God.  But I am confident that God will find a way to make his
call heard by people in every society.  I am sure that he has some way
of introducing people to Christ after death when the Church has
botched the job.

I am certainly unable to judge your experience as a Christian based on
what you have said.  All I can say is that there are many fine, caring
Christian communities.  They are not necessarily the ones where
everyone goes to church three times a week.  Not that I have anything
specific against that.  But "high pressure" Christianity is not my cup
of tea.  I have seen far too many people who have exactly your
experience.  When they look back, they conclude that it was all
plastic smiles (how can anyone possibly watch some of those TV shows
without throwing up?) and busyness.  There was nothing really there.
I do not want to knock all Evangelical Christians.  I know many who
really have an intense personal relationship with God, and for whom
everything that shows is real.  But it looks like growing up in such a
church can be dangerous.  There is simply too much pressure.  It is
fairly common for people to move out of that background (often when
they go to college) and find that they are not as sure as they thought
they were.  In this context, being an atheist for awhile may not be
such a bad thing.  It may let you reexamine what you really do
believe.

I don't have The Answer for you.  I have a few suggestions, though.
One is to find some folks around you who represent a lower pressure
approach to Christianity.  You certainly don't need people preaching
Hellfire at you.  You may not even want people who greet each other
all the time with "Praise the Lord."  (I'm not saying that this is
intrinsically bad.  I'm glad to see people whose love for God is
brimming over.  But for someone in your position, such people may not
be much help.)  Another is to realize that you do not have to start an
exploration into Christianity by having great faith.  Jesus was
willing to deal with people who did not have it.  Faith isn't
something you can force yourself to have.  If you are really
interested in taking another look at Christianity, you might consider
some of the classic things: ask for God's help, being honest about
your doubts; read one or two of the Gospels, in a translation that
doesn't stand in your way (My favorite for this purpose is the Good
News translation); read something by a Christian writer who you find
congenial (At this point, you do *not* need Pat Boone.  I would
suggest "Surprised by Joy", by C.S. Lewis.  It is an autobiography of
his early life.  It tells how he became a Christian, but that is not
by any means its sole purpose.)

charli@cylixd.UUCP (Charli Phillips) (10/25/85)

>. . . . In the long run, a
>Christian has to feel God calling him, and to see God at work in the
>world.  It has to be very frustrating to set out to manufacture these
>perceptions when they have no basis in your actual experience.  I
>envision coming to see God as a process of becoming more sensitive to
>the spiritual implications of what is going on around us, . . . .
>It is hard to see
>how someone can become more sensitive when he is gritting his teeth
>and trying to manufacture a faith he doesn't feel, . . . .
>[Charles Hedrick]

I agree with much that Charles said (in particular his recommendation
of _Surprised by Joy_ - that's a *wonderful* book, by one of my
favorite authors.)

But I feel compelled to comment on his statements quoted above.  It
sounds like he's saying that one is saved by having the appropriate
feelings regarding God and Christ.  I can most assuredly tell you that
that's not true.  I am not given to "mystical" feelings of the presence
of God, of faith in Christ, of "the spiritual implications of what is
going on around us".  If I had to have such feelings in order to be
saved, then I would most assuredly be damned.  But because I trust God,
and not myself, I know that I am a Christian *in spite of* anything I
feel about the subject.  I made a willful decision to be His.

If, for some reason, I don't *feel* faith in God, that doesn't matter.
I don't have to manufacture feelings of faith.  God will give me all 
the faith that I require, and He will keep me.  The feelings and visions
and 'doo-dads down the spine' that other believers experience (and that
I, too, have experienced from time to time) are nice, but *they are not
necessary*.  Our faith can be strong when we can't see God, perhaps
even stronger than when we can.  (Blessed are they who haven't seen,
and yet have believed.)

		charli

	Prayer of the Day:  Lord I believe.  Help thou mine unbelief.