[net.misc] Solution to lauras dilemma re determinism

cbostrum (08/02/82)

Ah, this is interesting. I am not sure I believe the claim that
"rationality requires determinism" but I am prepared to argue for that
*exact* statement, which is not what laura addressed. But as for what
she did say:
The evidence she gave for "free will" (whatever that is) was our
*feeling* that we are able to "make choices" such that the result of 
our deliberation *seems* to be decided upon by ourselves rather
than external circumstances. But first, this may only seem to be so, and
second, the fact (if it were one) that our internal decision making 
process was what caused the choice (and the resultant feeling of
"making a choice") does not mean that the choice was still not determined.

With the definitions laura gives, I see no problem in having the "free
will" and "determinism" compatible. However, convincing her might be harder.
For starters, consider this similar problem: 
	Is it possible for a computer to play chess well
	(something involving making good decisions at the chess board, etc.)
	and yet still have all its actions determined by the rules of its
	instruction set?
Surely the answer is yes, and it has been done already. Isnt there a strong
similarity here, and isnt it maybe just a matter of time before we can
comfortably say the same things with humans? I believe the answer is yes,yes.

I missed the discussion of Newcombs Paradox here, and dont want to start it
again if no one else does, but I think its clear that if you take both boxes
youll only get 1000, and if just the one, youll get a million. So, what could
be clearer than to take just the one? I also fail to see how taking both boxes
and getting 1000 demonstrates "free will" as laura seems to claim.

I still would like to see someone challenge the statement 
"ratiionality requires determinism".