[net.misc] I'm determined to say this

rlr (08/02/82)

Sorry, but here's (I hope) a last word (at least from me) on D vs FW.

A deterministic system does not require anyone inside of that system to make
any 'determinations' about the 'future' (or to be able to make them).  Those
pre-determinations (??) simply are.  And finally, two comments on Laura
Creighton's bit on D vs FW:  1)  Your definition of free will seems to fit
in with a deterministic system, i.e., one's ability to make decisions based
on past experience, knowledge, etc. can be viewed as predetermined (acquired
due to predetermined occurrences) and thus the decisions you make are equally
predetermined, and 2) Tossing a coin can also be looked at deterministically:
how deep you reach into your wallet/pocket/whatever to retrieve the coin,
what hand you toss with, the force that the coin is thrown with, etc. can all
be attributed to some cause-and-effect chain of events.		Rich

p.s. Jim Gardener makes an interesting point with regard to random quantum
events.  Free will would require such an "outside agent"...