mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) (09/22/86)
According to today's Boston Globe: "Chapter 272, Section 36, of the Massachusetts General Laws sets a fine of $300 or 1 year in prison for 'whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of god by denying, cursing, or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government, or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt or ridicule the holy word of God contained in the Holy scriptures.' If this law is indeed still in effect, then I encourage one and all to openly violate this unconstitutional and unenforceable law until Christians are embarassed enough to have it repealed. -- "To save the world requires faith and courage: faith in reason, and courage to proclaim what reason shows to be true." Bertrand Russell in "The Prospects of Industrial Civilization". -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh
pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) (09/23/86)
In article <1157@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: >According to today's Boston Globe: > >"Chapter 272, Section 36, of the Massachusetts General Laws sets a fine >of $300 or 1 year in prison for 'whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name >of god by denying, cursing, or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, >government, or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously >reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously >reproaching or exposing to contempt or ridicule the holy word of God >contained in the Holy scriptures.' > >If this law is indeed still in effect, then I encourage one and all to >openly violate this unconstitutional and unenforceable law until Christians >are embarassed enough to have it repealed. Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a vast array in this country. The bad side to Mike's suggestion is that it gets others sidetracked from more important and productive things, and what's even worse is that JDL and the HOLY JIHAD will fire bomb Mike's car and stone him to death instead of chasing each other around. The good side is that then the law will be expanded to include other forms, cults and cultures, and provisions for state taking over the property used in the commission of the crime will be added. Of course, Mike won't have to worry since his car will have been already fire bombed, and his organs will have been donated to his favorite charity -- 4H transplants -- Savapig INC. :-) This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. Wait a few decades Mike, you've got time. +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075 | FUSION | | Prometheus II, Ltd.; College Park, MD 20740-0222 | this | | {umcp-cs | seismo}!prometheus!pmk; pmk@prometheus.UUCP | decade | +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+
barry@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Mikki Barry) (09/24/86)
In article <259@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: >In article <1157@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: >>According to today's Boston Globe: >>"Chapter 272, Section 36, of the Massachusetts General Laws sets a fine >>of $300 or 1 year in prison for 'whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name >>of god by denying, cursing, or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, >>government, or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously >>reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously >>reproaching or exposing to contempt or ridicule the holy word of God >>contained in the Holy scriptures.' >Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are >not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a >vast array in this country. The bad side to Mike's suggestion is >that it gets others sidetracked from more important and productive >things, and what's even worse is that JDL and the HOLY JIHAD will >fire bomb Mike's car and stone him to death instead of chasing each >other around. Gee, you have just reproached one of god's creations! Pay your $300 fine to HASA, c/o Mikki Barry@mit-eddie. Thank you. Or would you prefer the 1 year in prison? >This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping >dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. But are you referring to the christians as wolves if the non christians "yap" (i.e. disturb the status quo? I just thought they were sheep in wolves clothing. :-? EEK! Run for the asbestos! Mikki Barry HASA (S for "sheep" division) ----------------------------------------- "Trouble is, sheep are very dim, and once they get an idear into their 'eads, there's no shiftin' it"
sxnahm@ubvax.UUCP (Stephen Nahm) (09/24/86)
Expires: Sender: Distribution: Keywords: In article <259@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: > >Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are >not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a >vast array in this country. In your response, you chose to ignore the point of Mr. Huybensz's posting: the U.S. Consitution states that the government shall not establish a religion. A law which gives legal protection to a religion has the effect of establishing it as "authorized". >The good side is that then the law will be expanded to include other >forms, cults and cultures, and provisions for state taking over the >property used in the commission of the crime will be added. What do you suggest be done when two cultures are fundamentally opposed? Cult A asserts that all non-A cultists are Heathen and must be converted or destroyed. Cult B states that, in particular, Clut A members are Evil and must be destroyed and then converted. Are you suggesting that a law be passed that protects the right of both cults to destroy each other? The law in question forbade even the suggestion that there is not a God (and within the context of a particular God, the Christian God). Shouldn't those culture which disagree with the idea of the particular Christian God and those which hold that no God exists also be protected? Better to take the course the Founding Fathers took: support no particular cult and let the market place of ideas prevail. -- Steve Nahm UUCP route: {amd|cae780}!ubvax!sxnahm sxnahm@ubvax.UUCP Internet address: amd!ubvax!sxnahm@decwrl.DEC.COM
mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) (09/25/86)
Why Paul, I had no idea you were Ken Arndt's twin brother! In article <259@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: > Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are > not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a > vast array in this country. The bad side to Mike's suggestion is > that it gets others sidetracked from more important and productive > things, and what's even worse is that JDL and the HOLY JIHAD will > fire bomb Mike's car and stone him to death instead of chasing each > other around. You're next, with your satanic company name. But that's easy for you to say when you're sitting snug in your bedroom 600 miles away from Massachusetts, where the action is. You're probably trying to persuade Congress to provide grants to the states for enforcement of these laws. I can spot a right-wing fundamentaloid lobbyist a thousand miles away! > The good side is that then the law will be expanded to include other > forms, cults and cultures, and provisions for state taking over the > property used in the commission of the crime will be added. Of > course, Mike won't have to worry since his car will have been already > fire bombed, and his organs will have been donated to his favorite > charity -- 4H transplants -- Savapig INC. :-) Now I understand why your last name is different from your twin bother Ken's. Your mother could only fit one of you in her pouch, so she put you out for adoption. :-) > This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping > dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. > > Wait a few decades Mike, you've got time. If I get the sleeping dog's leashed, then I won't have to tiptoe. Massachusetts is essentially violating the Constitutional leash law for religions. Why wait? Public humiliation will do far more to solve the problem than tolerance of unconstitutional law will. -- A tongue in cheek prevents foot in mouth. -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh
pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) (09/27/86)
In article <1162@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: >Why Paul, I had no idea you were Ken Arndt's twin brother! >You're next, with your satanic company name. But that's easy for you to >say when you're sitting snug in your bedroom 600 miles away from >Massachusetts, where the action is. You're probably trying to persuade >Congress to provide grants to the states for enforcement of these laws. >Now I understand why your last name is different from your twin bother >Ken's. Your mother could only fit one of you in her pouch, so she put >Massachusetts is essentially violating the Constitutional leash law for >religions. Mass of two what? :-) Seriously, Mike, sweetie, what's all this "ad hominum" comment? >If I get the sleeping dog's leashed, then I won't have to tiptoe. I still think you're attacking tumbleweeds, but who knows maybe society is better off homogenized. Increase society's entropy anybody? >{prometheus and satan} [inference -- Carnal knowledge] Ahhh, Michael, do you read the Bible with only current day word meanings in mind. The knowledge imparted by prometheus (I) was technology of fire, navigation, ship building, etc. now taught at MIT. I think you've got that kind of knowledge mixed up with the carnal stuff that satan is reputed to foster. Boston has both but you'll have to leave MIT and go to the "Combat Zone", or whatever they call it there, to find satan's realm. But I always say 'better CONfusion than ANTIfusion'. +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075 | FUSION | | Prometheus II, Ltd.; College Park, MD 20740-0222 | this | | {umcp-cs | seismo}!prometheus!pmk; pmk@prometheus.UUCP | decade | +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+
sc@frog.UUCP (STella Calvert) (10/03/86)
In article <259@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: >This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping >dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. Paul, those of us who have the good fortune NOT to be members of that conglomerate of wolves in sheeps' clothing have had them at our throats for two millenia. So what _else_ is new? Is the wolfpack going to stop trying to force their ideas down the throats of unbelievers? Show me! By their fruits ye shall know them.... STella Calvert Love is the law, love under will! Guest Account: {cybvax0!decvax}!frog!sc HASA Affiliation: S Division