[net.religion.christian] Worship of corpses by Christians

speter@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU (Peter Osgood) (09/23/86)

Let us get one thing very straight, we Catholics worship one
person and one person *only*, God.

We pray to Mary and the Saints to intervene for our causes.

It is true that those who went before us buried Popes, especially,
in the Vatican, St. Peter's, and other places.  HOWEVER, by and
large, the practice of worshipping these "corpses" is long since
past, it is history.

Finally, this practice is/was not limited to us, in fact, in
Damascus in the the central Mosque, which I visited, there is
a crypt where the head of John the Baptist is purported to rest.
This, surprise surprise all you crusaders, is the second holiest
place in Islam and John the Baptist one of their holiest people.
They, Moslems, still go to that crypt to worship.  This is the
only case of "corpse worship" that I have *ever* witnessed.

				---peter osgood--

tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) (09/24/86)

In article <1190@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU> speter@athena.mit.edu (Peter Osgood) writes:
>It is true that those who went before us buried Popes, especially,
>in the Vatican, St. Peter's, and other places.  HOWEVER, by and
>large, the practice of worshipping these "corpses" is long since
>past, it is history.
>
>				---peter osgood--

Well, Peter, I can only assume that you haven't been to the center of your
religion, St. Peter's.  Corpse fragments are still proudly and openly
displayed there.  Many European churches have treasyured relics with
purported miraculous powers.  Remind me to tell you the story of "DON'T KISS
THE FEET!" sometime....

Your statement also misses the point - the corpses in question were NOT
buried, but torn apart and saved by various individuals and churches, often
in prominent places.
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abdali@tekchips.UUCP (Kamal Abdali) (09/27/86)

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In article <1190@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU>, speter@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU 
(Peter Osgood) writes:
> Let us get one thing very straight, we Catholics worship one
> person and one person *only*, God.
> 
> We pray to Mary and the Saints to intervene for our causes.
> 
> Finally, this practice is/was not limited to us, in fact, in
> Damascus in the the central Mosque, which I visited, there is
> a crypt where the head of John the Baptist is purported to rest.
> This, surprise surprise all you crusaders, is the second holiest
> place in Islam and John the Baptist one of their holiest people.
> They, Moslems, still go to that crypt to worship.  This is the
> only case of "corpse worship" that I have *ever* witnessed.
> 
> 				---peter osgood--

1.  According to the Muslim consensus, the holiest sites in Islam are the
Sacred Mosque at Mecca, the Prophet's Mosque at Medina, and the Aqsa
Mosque at Jerusalem, in that order.  The Omayyad Mosque at Damascus is
just as sacred as any other mosque, no more and no less.

2.  There are special prayers to be offered at graves, but they are addressed
to God, not to the buried.  These prayers should not be construed as corpse 
worship.

3.  The excessive devotional behavior of the kind that you witnessed at 
the grave of John the Baptist does take place at many shrines, and is even
directed towards persons much less holy than John (who is considered a 
"prophet" in Islam).  But the vast majority of Muslims condemns such behavior 
strongly.  The puritans consider as outright un-Islamic any display of
devotion that has the faintest semblance of worship of any one but God.
In the Prophet's Mosque at Medina, guards are stationed to stop people from 
clinging to or kissing the fence around the Prophet Muhammad's Tomb.

speter@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU (Peter Osgood) (09/29/86)

In article <3037@sdcrdcf.UUCP> alan@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Alan Algustyniak) writes:
>
>Interesting.  How do you square that with the Catholic dogma that there
>are THREE persons in God?
>
>	Al Algustyniak
>
>Praying is what i'm doing when i don't know what i'm doing.

Actually, we believe that their are three beings in one, Father, Son
and Holy Spirit.  How that happens to be is one of the wonderful
mysteries of God.  It is not necessary that we can comprehend infinity
to give it definition, so too for God and the Trinity.  Moses in the
Old Testament and John in the New Testament attest to the extreme
difficulty they had at looking upon the face of God.  This is where
true faith comes in, you haven't seen it and would be very hard
pressed to prove God's/Jesus's existance by normal physical means.
Your mind says "no" but your heart says "yes, absolutely."

In reality, praying is a conversation with God, so see, you do believe.

				---peter osgood---

tim@ism780c.UUCP (Tim Smith) (10/03/86)

speter@athena.mit.edu (Peter Osgood) writes:
>
>It is true that those who went before us buried Popes, especially,
>in the Vatican, St. Peter's, and other places.  HOWEVER, by and
>large, the practice of worshipping these "corpses" is long since
>past, it is history.
>

What is the justification for stopping the worship of these "corpses"?
The people who did so were closer in time to the founding of the
Church, so it seems that they would be more likely to know how people
were intended to worship.
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