ma155abl@sdcc7.UUCP (Nick Flor) (12/03/84)
Okay,
I've read all your replies on who *relatively* fast the mac
is, and it all boils down to this-
The mac is relatively slow.
If it isn't accessing the built in ROM routines, (@ 7.8 mhz) then
it must be accesing ram (@4 mhz). Since most user programs
reside in RAM, how can this be fast?
Someone replied saying that the MAC'S graphics are blazingly fast.
My HP9836 has a 68k microprocessor running at 8mhz.
I wrote some low-level graphics primitives for that,
and although they are extremely fast, I don't consider
them "blazingly fast", so all this hype about the MAC
having blazingly fast graphics is a bunch of CACA.
Please speak in relative terms when talking of speed,
ie. the mac is blazingly faster than an IBM PC,
or
the mac is blazingly faster than an apple ][+,
Hey, don't flame me, I'm going to buy one.
But I'm not going to buy one because of all the
hype involved, I am getting one because it has the
best price/performance ratio.
-Nick "can't be fooled by hype" Florchuqui@nsc.UUCP (Cheshire Chuqui) (12/05/84)
References <1329@sdcc7.UUCP> Reply-To: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Cheshire Chuqui) Distribution: Organization: Plaid Heaven Keywords: Summary: >Okay, >I've read all your replies on who *relatively* fast the mac >is, and it all boils down to this- >The mac is relatively slow. >If it isn't accessing the built in ROM routines, (@ 7.8 mhz) then >it must be accesing ram (@4 mhz). Since most user programs >reside in RAM, how can this be fast? > >Someone replied saying that the MAC'S graphics are blazingly fast. Well, I haven't bothered to benchmark my Mac yet because I still haven't decided which compiler(s) I want for it, but the critical thing is: It is fast enough! I don't notice any sluggishness in any of the applications I've used. The Mac responds when I want it to, fast enough that I either don't notice delays or they don't bother me. Disk access could be faster, but this isn't a sun running eagles, fewgawdsake. Graphics response is quite quick. I have worked on a couple of graphics systems including apollo's, and the mac graphics react quite well-- this is especially apparent on rubberbanding and stretching, two places where graphic systems can really bog down if you aren't careful. Look, it isn't a cray. If I wanted a Cray I would have spent 2.5m instead of 3K and I would have had trouble getting a decent bitmap or a mouse for it. It isn't an IBM PC, which I personally consider an advantage, but if it WAS an IBM PC I would have spent 5K instead of 3K, I could have had color on a much lower resolution screen, unintegrated applications, a crappy keyboard, display screens that wiggle, jitter, and give me headaches (that phosporescence they use lasts just long enough to drive me up the wall) an 8088 monstrosity instead of a 68000 not-so monstrosity (sigh, for a bitmap on a 32000... give us time...), no real bitmapping, no real mouse, and a very silly operating system-- all of which happen to be successful because it has three letters on it. what I DO have is a good home machine that will allow me to experiment with (and hopefully help develop) what I believe to be the next generation of software-- things that work with the user instead of against it, things that help people think in terms people are familiar with instead of terms that computers are familiar with. I bought the Mac because it is looking forward, not back. I don't expect it to break DES or find large primes because that isn't what it was designed for-- it was designed to be a useful user interface. I keep seeing articles from people who are obviously very negative about the Mac. To tell you the truth, I'm not terribly interested in hearing why you think the Mac is terrible. I AM interested in hearing about problems with the mac, but random flaming just because you don't like it isn't what this group is about. Put the anti-mac comments in net.micro.pc where they belong, or net.flame, or various other places I could think. Some of us, to the tune of 40,000 a month, happen to LIKE the silly thing. personally, I think he's cute. I just wish I could think of a name for him. chuq -- From the center of a Plaid pentagram: Chuq Von Rospach {cbosgd,decwrl,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!chuqui nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA ~But you know, monsieur, that as long as she wears the claw of the dragon upon her breast you can do nothing-- her soul belongs to me!~