warack@aero.ARPA (Chris Warack) (09/13/85)
[ouch] We are studying the feasability of using Macs as work stations in the office. The main things we want are development with Symbolics computers (available through ExperTelligence (R)); office automation (Mac's forte -- word processing, charts, etc.); and communication with other computers (???). This last thing is the one we need information on. What we would like to see is a way to hook a Mac into an Ethernet; either through AppleTalk or directly. Has anyone had any experience with this? Are there Ether boxes for the Mac? What kind of electronic mail, terminal emulation, file transfer, and other distributed systems resources are there? I'm also interested in any other methods for talking to Vaxen or networks without using a dedicated modem. Furthermore, what is the file server picture at this time. Our system would probalby consist of 512K - 1M Macs (or Jonathon's) with a hard disk. Please mail responses to me. I'll summarize interesting information. Thanks in advance, Chris -- _______ |/-----\| Chris Warack (213) 648-6616 ||hello|| || || warack@aerospace.ARPA |-------| warack@aero.UUCP |@ ___ | {seismo!hao | tektronix}!hplabs \ |_______| !sdcsvax - !sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!aero!warack || || \ Aerospace Corporation, PO Box 92957, LA, 90009, Station M1-117 ^^^ ^^^ `---------(|=
berger@datacube.UUCP (09/20/85)
Mt. Xinu in Berkley, Ca. Has alledgedly connected AppleTalk and Ethernet
TCP/IP. I can't seem to get any info out of them though they have been
advertising it for months now.
Bob Berger
Datacube Inc. 4 Dearborn Rd. Peabody, Ma 01960 617-535-6644
ihnp4!datacube!berger
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{mit-eddie,cyb0vax}!mirror!datacube!bergertim@k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA (Tim Maroney) (09/25/85)
There are several ways of connecting your Appletalk network to an Ethernet.
The first one to arrive was SEAGATE, developed at Stanford. You can get
complete instructions on building one of these from the INFO-MAC archives at
Stanford (SUMEX), by FTP.
There are commercial Appletalk gateways, developed by Kinetics. This
message ends with a recent product listing of theirs. I have no connection
with Kinetics except that they know my address and I know theirs.
Once you're hooked up, you can run the MacIP software I developed. It was
begun my mark Sherman at Dartmouth from the PC IP package devloped at MIT.
The TFTP and TELNET programs were posted to net.sources.mac at the end of
August; a new version will be available in about a week. The source code
will also be available for the second release. TFTP provides file transfer,
TELNET provides remote terminal service.
There is also an external file system which would allow you to access files
stored on the VAX. It was developed at Lucasfilm in a serial line version,
and ported to Appletalk by Bill Croft at Stanford. The instructions and
source code for this are in the INFO-MAC archives as well; try the file
SEAGATE-EFS.SHAR . Upgrading and debugging this external file system is my
next project.
I hope this has answered your questions. Now for the Kinetics literature.
(By the way, Chris, as Pope I hereby excommunicate you from the Discordian
Church.)
Received: by su-safe.arpa with TCP; Wed, 11 Sep 85 16:36:53 pdt
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 85 16:36:53 pdt
From: Bill Croft <croft@safe>
Subject: Kinetics literature packet
To: info-applebus@mit-xx
I recently received a packet of literature from Kinetics on their
new products. Since I wanted to make others on this list
aware of their offerings, I asked Kinetics to email me some of the
text files they used, so I could avoid retyping/summarizing for
the bboard.
So here is some of the stuff; I have done a little reformatting/
trimming of the text. There were a couple pages at the end of
the packet that I didnt receive in email format, describing
products under development for file service and LaserWriter
access via AppleTalk. There are also some cute MacDraw pictures
of the gateway box and software organization.
Disclaimer: I have no connection to Kinetics, although they are
going to provide us with an evaluation unit. They started with
our original SEAGATE code, but have probably done quite a bit of
'productization'.
Here is their address and phone number; it was on the letterhead:
KINETICS, INC.
3182 Old Tunnel Rd., Suite H
Lafayette, CA 94549
415 947 0998
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August 26, 1985
With Kinetics' FastPath and K-TALK products you can
integrate friendly Macintosh and powerful Unix using
the speed and reliability of a local area network.
The FastPath product line includes the hardware you need
to place your computer on the AppleTalk network.
Connect AppleTalk to your existing Ethernet using
FastPath/Standalone, a self-standing Ethernet-AppleTalk
gateway. Bring AppleTalk directly into your computer with
FastPath/Q-Bus and FastPath/Multibus which fit into the
backplanes of many popular computer systems.
The K-TALK products include all the levels of software
you need, from the lowest levels of the protocols to
integrated applications. The AppleTalk protocols are
supported and run in the FastPath hardware and in the
Unix kernel. Programmers obtain easy access to all
levels using Unix libraries. Integrated applications
bring you true networking power, with networked terminals,
file servers, and Unix LaserWriter spooling.
Kinetics' products are unique in their ability to provide
a general-purpose solution as you integrate your Macintosh
and Unix systems.
Enclosed are descriptions of the Kinetics FastPath and K-TALK
product lines, along with complete pricing information.
Initial shipments of the FastPath and K-TALK products will begin
October 1985, with volume shipments to begin in November.
The K-TALK FileServer will be available first quarter, 1986.
Please contact Kinetics to discuss your networking needs and
the Kinetics solutions.
Steve Nelson
Marketing Manager
----
KINETICS FASTPATH - HARDWARE
============================
FastPath/Standalone
===================
A bridge box to connect Appletalk to Ethernet. Receives
packets from either network and, if their destination is
on the other network, converts and sends them with correct
protocols. Uses a 68008 CPU, 8530 SCC, and 82586 Ethernet
chip. Has LAP in PROM, and higher levels of protocol in
RAM. The RAM is loaded via Appletalk from a Macintosh,
allowing customization for different network topologies and
protocols. Battery backup preserves data during power
outages. Single board and power supply, no fan required,
in a 6"x4"x8" enclosure.
Price: 1-5.....................................$2,500.00
With Educational Discount...............$2,000.00
6-24....................................$2,250.00
With Educational Discount...............$1,800.00
FastPath/Q-Bus
==============
A dual height card that plugs into any Q-Bus backplane,
allowing direct connection of AppleTalk to Q-Bus-based
computer systems. Transfers packets from AppleTalk to
the computer's memory. Design is similar to FastPath/
Standalone, but without Ethernet.
Price: 1-5.....................................$1,800.00
With Educational Discount...............$1,450.00
6-24....................................$1,620.00
With Educational Discount...............$1,300.00
FastPath/Multibus
==================
Plugs into any Multibus backplane, allowing direct
connection of Appletalk to Multibus-based computer
systems. Transfers packets from Appletalk to the
computer's memory. Design is similar to FastPath/
Standalone, but without Ethernet.
Price: 1-5.....................................$1,800.00
With Educational Discount...............$1,450.00
6-24....................................$1,620.00
With Educational Discount...............$1,300.00
----
KINETICS K-TALK SOFTWARE
========================
Software for FastPath/Standalone
K-TALK/Prompt
=============
This software kit, distributed on a Macintosh disk,
includes:
1. A Macintosh program that boots the FastPath Standalone.
Prompts user via Macintosh dialog box for the gateway net
address and the object-format file to load into
the FastPath
2. FastPath/Standalone program containing DDP/RTMP
gateway code, to be loaded from the Macintosh
to the FastPath.
Price: Included with FastPath/Standalone
K-TALK/Host (Standalone)
========================
DDP Version:
Source code to modify a Unix Ethernet driver to add
DDP protocols. Also adds ATP/NBP/RTMP protocols to
Ethernet driver with user-level library routines.
Use of this product depends upon access to the Unix
Ethernet driver and the ability to configure a Unix
kernel containing the updated driver.
[K-TALK/Host (Standalone) is also marketed as Xinet,
a product and trademark of Mt. Xinu, Berkeley, CA]
Price: Source, educational use.................$1,000.00
Source, non-commercial use..............$3,000.00
Source, commercial use..................$6,000.00
Royalties for distribution of binaries created from
commercial-use source code:
Binary royalty, 1st-10th copy...........$1,000.00
Binary royalty, 11th-100th copies.........$500.00
Binary royalty, additional copies.........$250.00
Binary versions for K-TALK/Host (Standalone) are
available for certain CPU and operating system
configurations. The following pricing holds for
these binaries:
Price: Binary, 1st copy........................$1,500.00
Binary, 2nd-5th copies..................$1,000.00
Binary, additional copies.................$250.00
UDP Version:
UDP is supported in software originally written at Stanford
University, available through Kinetics. Kinetics will support
the following sequence:
1. Choose a net address and modify the Unix host file.
2. Power up the FastPath/Standalone.
3. Load the FastPath/Standalone from K-TALK/Prompt with
the gateway net address. Load (your version of) the
Stanford UDP gateway code (instead of the Kinetics
DDP/RTMP code).
Software for FastPath/Q-Bus and FastPath/Multibus
K-TALK/Host (Q-Bus) and
K-TALK/Host (Multibus)
=======================
Source code for software to support Kinetics FastPath/Q-Bus
or FastPath/Multibus products. Includes source for driver
which includes DDP and RTMP protocols. Also includes
ATP/NBP/RTMP programmers' libraries. Use of this product
depends upon the ability to configure a Unix kernel to
contain the driver.
Price: Source, educational use.................$1,000.00
Source, non-commercial use..............$3,000.00
Source, commercial use..................$6,000.00
Royalties for distribution of binaries created from
commercial-use source code:
Binary royalty, 1st-10th copy...........$1,000.00
Binary royalty, 11th-100th copies.........$500.00
Binary royalty, additional copies.........$250.00
Binary versions for K-TALK/Host (Q-Bus) and
K-TALK/Host (Multibus) are available for certain CPU
and operating system configurations. The following
pricing holds for these binaries:
Price: Binary, 1st copy........................$1,500.00
Binary, 2nd-5th copies..................$1,000.00
Binary, additional copies.................$250.00
Applications Software
K-TALK/Terminal
===============
Macintosh program providing a virtual terminal connection to Unix.
Emulates a VT100 subset termcap-supported terminal.
Price, binary.....................................$75.00
K-TALK/Login
============
Source code for remote login daemon for Unix system; supports
login connections from Macintoshes over Appletalk using
K-TALK/Terminal.
Price: Source, educational use...................$100.00
Source, non-commercial use................$300.00
Source, commercial use....................$600.00
Royalties for distribution of binaries created from
commercial-use source code:
Binary royalty, 1st-10th copy.............$150.00
Binary royalty, 11th-100th copies.........$100.00
Binary royalty, additional copies..........$50.00
Binary versions for K-TALK/Login are available for certain
CPU and operating system configurations. The following
pricing holds for these binaries:
Price: Binary, 1st copy..........................$100.00
Binary, 2nd-5th copies.....................$75.00
Binary, additional copies................. $50.00
-=-
Tim Maroney, Carnegie-Mellon University, Networking
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