[net.micro.mac] MacBottom and Levco 2 Meg Mac

roy@nlm-vax.ARPA (Roy Standing) (11/07/85)

I have used a MacBottom 10Mbyte drive for several weeks now.  I upgraded
that machine to 2Mbytes RAM (Levco Monster Mac) more recently.

MacBottom advantages:

 1. non-invasive
 2. transportable to other Macs
 3. user can create/delete and resize volumes
 4. the Finder can be locked -- it is always the Finder
    used when returning to the desktop

MacBottom disadvantages:

 1. slower than Hyperdrive
 2. decreasing a volume's size wipes out the volume directory
 3. must boot from a floppy
 4. no security features

Levco advantages:

 1. large RAMdisk available
 2. switcher can really strut its stuff
 3. can boot as 512K Mac by use of Reset and Interrupt switches
 4. can populate board for 1Mbyte, 1.5Mbyte, or 2Mbyte
 5. Expansion connector will support SCSI hard disk

Levco disadvantages:

 1. doesn't pass Mac diagnostics in Monster Mac mode
 2. violates Mac warranty (newer clip-on version may change this)
 3. requires use of a fan (albeit VERY quiet)

Interactions

MacBottom provides a special shutdown program to be used instead of the
system shutdown command.  The MacBottom application adds parking the
hard disk's heads on the landing track.  GOTCHA: MacBottom has a switch
to select whether the heads should land at the hub or rim depending on
the manufacture of the drive but MacBottom doesn't tell you what drive
you have and where its heads should be parked.

The MacBottom shutdown program doesn't work properly on the Monster Mac.

Summary thoughts

MacBottom is nice but 10Mbyte is just not enough in my environment.  The
lack of any security is a real problem.  Since the boot floppy must be
left out and it allows anyone to create/delete/resize volumes it is a
disaster waiting to happen.  There should be a way to block users from
changing volume paqrameters.  As presently constituted, the system is okay
for a single user environment but not for a multi-user one.

Levco's Monster Mac is GREAT, if your pattern of use takes advantage of
it.  I tend to give myself a RAMdisk with about 800K and setup Switcher
with MacTerminal, BINHEX, Packit, DA/Font Mover, DA Sampler, MacWrite,
and Finder.  This works great for uploading/downloading stuff to/from
the most useful of newsgroups -- net.sources.mac.  I find that I tend
to get a lot of mileage out of Switcher, I change the loaded applications
as I move between tasks and reboot very rarely.

If I had to choose between the Monster Mac and MacBottom I would choose
Monster Mac becuase my pattern of use really exploits it.  Others I've
spoken to would find the hard disk more useful.  Fortunately, I don't
have to choose and, warts aside, like both products.

Disclaimer: The above comments are my personal opinions.  They are not
            necessarily shared by anyone else, nor endorsed by anyone
            else.

korn@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU (Peter "Arrgh" Korn) (11/07/85)

You saw that an SCSI interface is on it's way, no?  How much is this supposed
to cost, and when does Levco expect to have it available?

I know of a 60 Meg 20 msec drive available for $1,500 I'd like to use w/my
mac (in one of the Bytes a friend has).  for $2,400, that would make one
awesome machine out of an already good one.


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roy@nlm-vax.ARPA (Roy Standing) (11/09/85)

In a previous message I mentioned that Levco is coming out with a
SCSI hard disk interface that will plug into their Monster Mac
2Meg board.  I didn't say anything about price or other options.

With apologies for omitting it before:

1.  Levco demonstrated a prototype board at the MacWorld Expo in Boston
    last August.  In other words, I saw it working.

2.  In my last conversation with Levco they said that the board would be
    released in December.  One thing delaying its introduction is the
    connector for their Monster Mac board.  The Mac cardcage was designed
    for a single card.  There is, barely, room to mount a piggyback board
    as all of the RAM upgrades do.  The backend of Levco's board is laidout
    to take a connector, this lines up beneath an openning in the metal
    frame of the mac.

    To my eyes, putting the connector in and still being able to slide
    the motherboard/Monster Mac board in and out of the cardcage will
    require a VERY low profile connector.  In any case, Levco reported
    that they were having trouble sourcing a connector at a reasonable
    price.

3.  The person I spoke to gave me a price of 'under' $1,000.00.  This
    seemed high but it was unclear whether a drive was included.  He
    did say the pricing was still being discussed.

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4.  Levco has a policy of not advertising products before they are
    ready to sell them.  Therefore this is a rumor: they are also developing
    a board with serial and parallel ports.  A cable to a connector plate
    will pass through the security opening, the connector plate will lock
    into the security opening.  This mechanism will also be used for the
    hard disk product.  No pricing or introduction date was available.

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