garym@telesoft.UUCP (Gary Morris @shine) (11/09/85)
The following is a condensed version of a conversation that took place
on MAUG (CompuServ). It describes a new native code Pascal compiler for the
Mac. It sounds like a very good package at a reasonable price.
I called and got their flyer but it doesn't say any more that what's below.
Except that it did claim "Compilation Speed: Floppy Disk - up to 1000 LPM,
Hard Disk - up to 3000 LPM". If anyone out there in net land has used it,
how fast does it really compile? "up to 1000" could mean many things.
The compiler is available from:
TML Systems, PO Box 361626, Melbourne, FL 32936
(305) 242-1873.
--GaryM
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#: 10642 S1/Languages & Tools
24-Oct-85 20:46:04
Sb: #10633-#TML Systems Pascal
Fm: Mike Hartman 73075,1171
To: Mark Denyse 74776,755 (X)
I have seen TML Pascal and talked extensively with someone who has been using
it. Very solid betas have been shipping, with changes being more enhancements
than bug fixes. It is highly language compatible with Lisa Pascal, though it
does not yet support Units. It will also handle ROM calls in the Mac Pascal
InLine, etc. forms. Most of the examples shipped with the Software Supplement
will compile unchanged (including some of the more complex ones). The Mac
Interface includes not only the ROM routines but also the additional routines
supported for Lisa Pascal. Compiler output can be MDS assembler source or
native code. All top level procedures are XDEFed, so it is actually fairly each
to do what amounts to separate compilation. The REL files are MDS compatible,
so you can use such things as MacinTalk. I think another indication of the
product's robustness is that MacExpress, the application shell, is available in
TML Pascal. Mike Hartman
#: 10741 S1/Languages & Tools
26-Oct-85 12:28:48
Sb: #10692-#TML Systems Pascal
Fm: Jack Howarth 75335,1410
To: Dennis Brothers/Sysop 76703,2067 (X)
Dennis,
I just got my copy of the TML compiler and I am very impressed. Tom
Leonard did a very fine job on this product. The compiler can produce asm
or rel files and the RMaker can be used before or after linking. The
compiler/linker are fast and the transfer menus are well done throughout
keeping the developer at arms length of the finder at all times. Can't
wait for full docs in 2 weeks, but the docs on disk and well commented
source examples help to get the feet wet. I hope Tom starts using his CIS
access so we can all keep up to date on the smart linker for this system.
Bravo, Tom!
Jack
#: 10858 S1/Languages & Tools
28-Oct-85 09:57:23
Sb: TML Pascal status
Fm: Neal Stephenson 70317,2530
To: all
Here is the scoop on TML Pascal as of 9:45 a.m. Pacific time Monday. They are
shipping their .9 version as fast as they can get it copied. The difference
between the .9 version and the official release version is that (1)it lacks
part of the printer driver, specifically, the part of the writeln command that
deals with floating point numbers, and (2) the documentation is on disk instead
of paper. They have already sold out their first batch of this .9 and are
expecting their next batch wit within the next day or two; I ordered one this
morning and was told to expect it by the end of the week. The cost is $99.95
plus $5.00 sh shipping. Within a couple of weeks the documentation will arrive
from the printer and at that time they will ship the 1.0 version, which will
include full printer driver and fixes of any bugs that may show up between now
and then. They will send the documentation to everyone who has bought the .9
version, plus an update disk. The reason they are shipping now instead of
waiting for the last details is, of course, the high demand. PS: the guy who
answered the phone knew what he was talking about, i.e. he was a programmer,
not a Kelly girl.
#: 10877 S1/Languages & Tools
28-Oct-85 17:55:02
Sb: #TML Pascal
Fm: Tom Leonard 76324,521
To: all
Well rumor had it that the TML Systems Pascal compiler for the Mac was getting
some message traffic here so I thought I would check in and say hello. I'm new
at this CompuServe stuff so I hope this comes out in the right place. In any
case I'm Tom Leonard, the developer of the MacLanguage Series Pascal compiler
(better known as TML Pascal it seems), and I thought I'd leave a personal
message about the compiler. Current status: A release version 0.9 is currently
being made available to our customers if they would like to have it. What is
missing between this version and version 1.0 to come very shortly is primarily
its printed doc documentation. In addition, the interface file to the
Macintosh printing manager and the part of SANE not built into the compiler are
not delivered. Version 1.0 will of course solve all of these problems As for
the product, it is a native code Pascal compiler which runs on the Macintosh
512K or larger or an XL with 1Meg (MacWorks takes up too much memory for a 512K
XL) It is MDS compatible both in .ASM and .REL file output. The compiler is
bundled with MDS Edit, Link, and RMaker, and the MacinTalk speech synthesizer,
Font/DA Mover, and in 1.0 the 2 AppleTalk drivers. Complete access is provide
to QuickDraw, ToolBox Operating System, Packages, Fixed-Point Math, 3D
QuickDraw, MacinTalk, AppleTalk, etc. (the interface files are the Lisa Pascal
files slightly modified for an include file mechanism rather than Units,
although Units will eventually be available later this fall) The co compiler
has 3 modes of compilation: (1) create stand-alone, double-clickable Macintosh
Applications, (2) create stand-alone, double-clickable "Plain Vanilla"
applications (using readln/writeln window provided by compiler), and (3) create
desk accessories. One final note.... the compiler is written in Pascal and
compiles itself. Well, that's it for now, Tom....
#: 10882 S1/Languages & Tools
28-Oct-85 18:18:06
Sb: #TML Pascal
Fm: Tom Leonard 76324,521
To: all
Thought I'd leave some benchmarks reported by a beta user to me. using the TML
Pascal. Sieve = 6.6 secs. Ackermann(3,6) = 7.6 secs. Whetstone = 32.1 secs.
Note that the Ackermann benchmark is faster than a VAX 11/750! (9.42 secs for
VAX!) Tom.....
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