[net.micro.mac] Red Ryder and VI

rupp@tetra.UUCP (William L. Rupp) (11/21/85)

I have been trying to communicate from my Mac at home with the UNIX 4.2  
system where I work.  I am using Red Ryder.  My Mac has 128K, and the modem
is a 1200 baud Volksmodem.  I can login correctly, and evn
begin a vi session.  The trouble is that some of the vi commands do not
work properly with Red Ryder.  Using the command key as Control, I try to
invoke various keystroke sequences, but unexpected results sometimes occur.
The same thing happens with Red.

Is anybody familiar with this problem?  Are the bugs in Red Ryder
perhaps the culprit?  Finally, would I be better off using MacTerminal?

berry@tolerant.UUCP (David Berry) (11/27/85)

> I have been trying to communicate from my Mac at home with the UNIX 4.2  
> system where I work.  I am using Red Ryder.  My Mac has 128K, and the modem
> is a 1200 baud Volksmodem.  I can login correctly, and evn
> begin a vi session.  The trouble is that some of the vi commands do not
> work properly with Red Ryder.  Using the command key as Control, I try to
> invoke various keystroke sequences, but unexpected results sometimes occur.
> The same thing happens with Red.
> 
> Is anybody familiar with this problem?  Are the bugs in Red Ryder
> perhaps the culprit?  Finally, would I be better off using MacTerminal?

So far with my copy of Red Ryder (6.2) I have made the following decisions:

	1.  Don't use the vt100 emulation.  Use vt52 instead.  The vt100
		emulation loops forever when you send it a Delete Line.
	
	2.  Tabs are incorrectly implemented in all emulations.  Use
		stty -tabs and everything should work.

	3.  It is disappointing that it doesn't talk to mac{put,get}.
		I do, however, have a public domain implementation of
		xmodem that kind of works.  (Anybody out there have
		a version that really works with Red Ryder, or source
		for Kermit for a 4.2 BSD system?)

Regardless of these draw backs I find it an extremely well done package
for the price and would highly recommend it to anyone who needs a terminal
emulation package for the mac.  Especially, if they don't have one of the
copies of MacTerminal that are floating around.
Other than 
-- 

	David W. Berry
	...!ucbvax!tolerant!berry

	[Don't shoot the Tolerant Systems, I'm just the consultant]

naftoli@aecom.UUCP (Robert N. Berlinger) (11/27/85)

> The trouble is that some of the vi commands do not
> work properly with Red Ryder.  Using the command key as Control, I try to
> invoke various keystroke sequences, but unexpected results sometimes occur.
> The same thing happens with Red.
> 
> Is anybody familiar with this problem?  Are the bugs in Red Ryder
> perhaps the culprit?  Finally, would I be better off using MacTerminal?

I have just tried Red for the first time (I downloaded version 6.2 off of
Compuserve which is the latest).  Red crashed several times while doing even
the simplest things in vi. I guess the vt100 emulation isn't as good as he
thinks!  I haven't had a chance to call the author up to discuss the bugs
yet, which also included a bomb while trying to kermit over a file.
-- 
Robert Berlinger
...{philabs,cucard,pegasus,ihnp4,rocky2}!aecom!naftoli