harrow@exodus.DEC (Jeff Harrow, NCSE LKG1-3/F16 DTN=226-7445) (01/10/86)
**Update on the HD20 Desktop file corruption** Well, I had pretty much resigned myself to re-initializing the disk and spending the weekend reloading the HD20 (my stringent backup policy comes through again!). Then, I started thinking about the logistics of how to begin this task... First, I had to re-initialize the HD20. Simple; just choose Erase Disk from the Finder menu... Of course, since the Desktop was corrupt and could not be rebuilt, how to GET to the finder menu? If I turn OFF the HD20 and boot from the HD20 startup floppy, it becomes the startup volume but, since it has not performed its magic on the HD20 the system doesn't mount the HD20 when it's subsequently turned ON! Hence, I can't Erase Disk! (Grumble, grumble... It's still early morning in CA and my ***HELP*** call will have to wait...) So I thought I'd experiment a bit. I remember reading in the HD20 manual that you could force a floppy to become the startup volume by holding down the mouse button during the program-launch procedure. So, assuming that all on the disk is lost in any event, I tried holding it down once the floppy's startup screen was displayed. Voila! The HD20 startup floppy booted, configured-in the HD20, and remained the startup volume. I then got a dialog box saying that the HD20 needed "minor repair" and chose OK. This time, with the floppy being the startup volume ALL WORKED FINE, and the HD20 healed itself!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!! As a sidelight, the original 163,840 byte Desktop file shrank to 64,405 bytes, although the speed improvement seems subjectively marginal. Well, it was a close thing, but at least there was a way out. However, I'm STILL rather concerned that there is apparently no way to FORCE a reinitialization of the HD20 if necessary (as if I STILL could not uncorrupt the Desktop file). Any ideas on what to do then? Hope your morning has been better than mine... Jeff Harrow Work address: ARPAnet: HARROW%EXODUS.DEC@decwrl.ARPA Usenet: {allegra,Shasta,decvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-exodus!harrow Easynet: EXODUS::HARROW Telephone: (617)486-7445 USPS: Digital Equipment Corp. Mail stop: LKG1-3/F16 550 King Street Littleton, MA 01460
borton@sdcc3.UUCP (Chris Borton) (01/12/86)
After reading the previous description of Desktop horror I decided to relate my experience: I had the same thing happen to me when I accidentally loaded in two copies of Finder 5.1 into Switcher 4.4. They worked a little while, but then I think they got to fighting over the Desktop file and everything went poof! I, too, tried everything to get my HD20 back, and finally on the 4th try of booting the HD20 startup with the mouse held down got the repair to work. To my great surprise, all windows and folders were kept perfectly intact!!! I had been wanting to try rebuilding the Desktop for a while, but dreaded redoing all my window positioning like I would have to on a Finder 4.1 Desktop rebuild. (note: it took about five minutes to rebuild 14.5M. The previous three tries had done the same, but then went out to lunch leaving me with a watch to look at forever until I restarted). Now, this paragraph is a plea to Apple and all other developers to take the little time and effort necessary to change the cursor to the watch when the program is working. Finder 5.x updates the Desktop and THEN 'zooms out' to run the application, and since the cursor remains the arrow during this update there are numerous times when you are left wondering if you really did double-click or if you 'missed.' Since I often work with noise that covers up drive noise (namely my stereo) I can't rely on that noise to tell me what is going on. I need VISUAL feedback! A tip on reformatting the HD20: in January MacTutor one fellow describes how he got his done after it was 'blasted into bit-heaven' by MacZap. Apparently there is an unknown option in the HD20 Test program that appears if you hit Cmd-D at the dialog box. (Something about a destructive test) Using that and turning the HD20 on and off several times (sounds dangerous to me) he got the drive 'damaged enough' for the boot disk to initialize it. The logical way seems to boot the HD20 startup disk with the mouse down and when the HD20 appears as the second drive, select it and choose initialize. Has anyone tried that? I'm wary of doing it until a decent backup program is in my hands. Does anyone know of one, or one to come out soon? It sure is necessary...especially since my System is 471K! Happy Maccing! Chris Borton, UC San Diego Undergraduate CS Micro Consultant, UCSD borton@ucsd.ARPA or ...!{ucbvax,decvax,noscvax,ihnp4,bang}!sdcsvax!borton