boroff@bagels.DEC (E. Boroff, NCSS DECnet/PSI) (02/03/86)
The following is an edited Compuserve Form transcript reprinted here from
our internal notes file. This is a *long* dialog sorry about the length;
many people wanted to see it.
Thanks goes to Pat for gathering this information.
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(8,John Sculley) Hello!
(8,John Sculley) Welcome.
(8,John Sculley) We are online and running!
(8,John Sculley) Let me continue...
(8,Neil/Sysop) ORDER!!!!!
(8,Neil/Sysop) Joe, is that you?
(8,John Sculley) yes.
(8,John Sculley) consumer
(8,John Sculley) and business
(8,John Sculley) We promise that our commitment to education wont change...
(8,John Sculley) education is our foundation.
(8,John Sculley) we will work to keep leadership
(8,John Sculley) second
(8,John Sculley) expect us to provide growth paths to all of our education
(8,John Sculley) partners
(8,John Sculley) i would like to announce the opportunity to trade in old
(8,John Sculley) computer made by apple for the purchase of
(8,John Sculley) new apple equipment!
(8,John Sculley) we will always provide ways to provide a way to get to the
(8,John Sculley) new products via upgrades.
(8,John Sculley) grade school and high school need to connect to such leaders
(8,John Sculley) as ibm and dec.
(8,John Sculley) before the end of 1986, you can expect to see an implementation
(8,John Sculley) of networks to the classroom and campus!
(8,John Sculley) SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIAL EDUCATION WILL BE HIGH ON
OUR LIST OF
(8,John Sculley) FUTURE SUPPORT AND PROGRAMS
(8,John Sculley) we want to help mold the way people teach and learn
(8,John Sculley) so our commitment will remain as solid today as in the past
(8,John Sculley) CONSUMERS ...
(8,John Sculley) we find that most people that buy our computers in homes
(8,John Sculley) are to provide usage for their children or for a home
(8,John Sculley) business.
(8,John Sculley) someday we will see home banking and CD storage media as
products
(8,John Sculley) in many homes...
(8,John Sculley) last september we introduce 8 new apple II products.
(8,John Sculley) Apple User Groups accross the world are some of our best
allies!
(8,John Sculley) We recognize thier value and am pleased to announce
(8,John Sculley) the new Apple User Group programs....
(8,John Sculley) strengthen our relationship betweeen usergroups and dealers.
(8,John Sculley) Business...
(8,John Sculley) How will Apple succeed in business.
(8,John Sculley) we must build on our strengths
(8,John Sculley) meet needs
(8,John Sculley) leverage unique strengths in very specific area....
(8,John Sculley) Mac has changed the worlds view of computing...
(8,John Sculley) industry standard
(8,John Sculley) new users are comfortable in a few hours...
(8,John Sculley) increased productivity
(8,John Sculley) Training is a major factor in personal computer decisions
for the future.
(8,John Sculley) Today, I announe Peat Marwick will be upgraded to our new
Macintosh product.
(8,John Sculley) Arther Young is announcing today it has chosen Macintosh for
its auditors...
(8,John Sculley) Two years of development for software using expert systems
(8,John Sculley) it only takes 16 hours to train an auditor using macintosh.
(8,John Sculley) Graphics are important.
(8,John Sculley) How do we meet real businees needs.
(8,John Sculley) Provide power!
(8,John Sculley) Until now, serious users could not choose Macintosh!
(8,John Sculley) More power, speed expand, and usage
(8,John Sculley) represents our clearest message to business
(8,John Sculley) no more sacrifice!
(8,John Sculley) Growth paths .......
(8,John Sculley) Mac Plus is the second member of the Macintosh family/
(8,John Sculley) Upgrade...
(8,John Sculley) Mac Plus we address all former complaints...
(8,John Sculley) Mac 512 new retail price is droped by $500.
(8,John Sculley) Customers have a choice!
(8,John Sculley) Macintosh 512 or Macintosh Plus, more powerful
(8,John Sculley) beginning of a family of workstations.
(8,John Sculley) Proud to announce 12 versions of Mac Plus in 9 languages.
(8,John Sculley) More to growth paths...
(8,John Sculley) to upgrade and grow...
(8,John Sculley) we are offering four upgrade kits to owners of 128k and
512k mac owners
(8,John Sculley) starting feb. 15, you can grow to any level of macintosh power
(8,John Sculley) we are commited to growth paths!
(8,John Sculley) Most important announcement...
(8,John Sculley) We are not going to leave the MAc XL owners out of this
(8,John Sculley) Every owner of a lisa product can trade in their current
computer
(8,John Sculley) for a MAC PLUS and 20 Meg hard disk for a total cost of only
(8,John Sculley) $1500.00!!!!!
(8,John Sculley) Apple is serious about providing a long term commitment to
our users.
(8,John Sculley) Finally, a business need to connect to IBM and compatible
machines...
(8,John Sculley) We need to connect and have taken steps internally to get
this to happen.
(8,John Sculley) To add to that...
(8,John Sculley) Every product that is part of our connect strategy is on
schedule
(8,John Sculley) and will ship on time.
(8,John Sculley) Not just connect to mainframes, but also other products
(8,John Sculley) I would like to announce our comarketing with 3COM corp and
their
(8,John Sculley) file server product...
(8,John Sculley) Adding to our systems commitment.
(8,John Sculley) I hope i have made it clear that apple is commited to users!
(8,John Sculley) Let me show you how we are building on this foundation.
(8,John Sculley) 1st desktop productivity
(8,John Sculley) Now we are in a position to implement.
(8,John Sculley) Now there are two macintosh products
(8,John Sculley) Desktop Publishing
(8,John Sculley) Macintosh provides the best solutions
(8,John Sculley) Will become a major market opportunity
(8,John Sculley) it will change the way the printed page is used in business.
(8,John Sculley) Today, we announce a second laser printer, the
LASERWRITER PLUS.
(8,John Sculley) Desktop Publishing Plus.
(8,John Sculley) Superior value to customers.
(8,John Sculley) 3rd Desktop Communications
(8,John Sculley) new market
(8,John Sculley) access large amounts of business information...
(8,John Sculley) information services are growing
(8,John Sculley) with our superior human interface allows better management.
(8,John Sculley) I would like to announce a strategic alliance with
(8,John Sculley) General Electric as mentioned with products like
business talk that
(8,John Sculley) allows communications with mac user interface to great
amounts of information
(8,John Sculley) we are taking steps in voice and data and am pleased to
announce
(8,John Sculley) that APPLE AND NORTHERN TELECOM are in a strategic operating
agreement.
(8,John Sculley) Macs to communicate over normal telephone lines...
(8,John Sculley) Telecom and Personal Computing converge and Apple will be there
(8,John Sculley) with the above mentioned alliance.
(8,John Sculley) Information Solutions with MCI and Dow Jones..
(8,John Sculley) Leverage 3 companies strengths...
(8,John Sculley) Expect to see some very impressive new products in the future.
(8,John Sculley) Apple is commited to providing valuable solutions.
(8,John Sculley) Apple intends to keep promise
(8,John Sculley) We are continuing development on the Apple II and the same
(8,John Sculley) strategies mentioned this morning will be the same for the II.
(8,John Sculley) We have just barly begun to see the impact of workstations
and information
(8,John Sculley) management.
(8,John Sculley) (oops, my spelling needs help)
(8,John Sculley) Intergration of text and graphics together...
(8,John Sculley) Choice that apple has made to agressivly pursue the
alternative technology
(8,John Sculley) is going to conntine
(8,John Sculley) Beginning its growth curve rather than become just
(8,John Sculley) one more MS-DOS company!!!
(8,John Sculley) 1986 will be a year of hard work for all of us.
(8,John Sculley) It will carry all of us into the info age,.
(8,John Sculley) THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
(8,John Sculley) (BOW)
(8,Del Yocum) Neil, its Del now.
(8,Del Yocum) We are a company that make great products.
(8,Del Yocum) As a new products company, we expect to maintan leadership.
(8,Del Yocum) Automated Manufacturing will assist us to maintain in the front
of technology
(8,Del Yocum) Our
(8,Del Yocum) lines, capable of sharing
(8,Del Yocum) data...
(8,Del Yocum) no intention of merging
(8,Del Yocum) all possibilities for both
(8,Del Yocum) VSLI technology is being
(8,Del Yocum) they are not hopping off the dealers floors
(8,Del Yocum) ha ha ha
(8,Del Yocum) Cray's are used by the leaders in technology.
(8,Del Yocum) to to simulate the human enviornment
(8,Del Yocum) our commitment has attracted seven computer scientists
(8,Del Yocum) Apple //c and mac are both built in Fremont.
(8,Del Yocum) Our quality goal in every plant is the same, 0 defects.
(8,Del Yocum) our factoriess will be linked to our business systems
(8,Joe Hutsko) Del is VP of Products.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Del is outlining some
(8,Joe Hutsko) of our services...etc,
(8,Joe Hutsko) After will be Jean Lousi Gassee
(8,Joe Hutsko) OOps, Jean Loius Gassee.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Products into the future...
(8,Joe Hutsko) Lets get serious...
(8,Joe Hutsko) About Mac Plus...
(8,Joe Hutsko) and how it demonstrates the workings at apple....
(8,Joe Hutsko) Apple underwent a tramatic reorg.
(8,Joe Hutsko) We were in full production yesterday of Macintosh Plus.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Fremont is rolling them out.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Macintosh Plus is the first installment of our new organization.
(8,Joe Hutsko) 1986 will be the richest product
(8,Joe Hutsko) year in apples history
(8,Joe Hutsko) Neil, as soon as the details come in, i will continue...
(8,Joe Hutsko) After Bill Campbell talks they will give a demo with Mac Plus.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Jean Louis is talking about vision.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Apple is the incarnation of our quest.
(8,Joe Hutsko) With Macintosh you get the best of both sides of power and
ease of use.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Commited to two product lines.
(8,Joe Hutsko) several design centers....compact and expandable.
(8,Joe Hutsko) To deliver a universal line of peripherals...for both products...
(8,Joe Hutsko) ie floppy and hd's that work with all our cpu's.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Data File Compatible is very important, worth more that software.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Diskette from brand X and insert it into an apple and read the data.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Data Com.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Disk drive compatiblity, etc...
(8,Joe Hutsko) We intend to remove kinks in the user's view to make
(8,Joe Hutsko) connections to other products and intergrated part
(8,Joe Hutsko) of our user interface.
(8,Joe Hutsko) We must invest in future architectures.
(8,Joe Hutsko) We will be there with great hardware and software opportunity.
(8,Joe Hutsko) With our pending cray purchase will lead to incremental and
leaps in
(8,Joe Hutsko) technology.
(8,Joe Hutsko) our superior human resources are what help us shine.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Today we show you the macintosh perfected, not that we are
stopping
(8,Joe Hutsko) at that, it has many of the features
(8,Joe Hutsko) you have asked for
(8,Joe Hutsko) increased speed
(8,Joe Hutsko) storage
(8,Joe Hutsko) and expand.
(8,Joe Hutsko) 1 meg of ram 800k disk and 128k rom
(8,Joe Hutsko) 1 meg ram chips will allow for future expansion up to
4meg without
(8,Joe Hutsko) board swap using SIMMS tech.
(8,Joe Hutsko) New rom now includes heirch. file syste,
(8,Joe Hutsko) streamlined file management.
(8,Joe Hutsko) STARTUP from hard disk drive
(8,Joe Hutsko) new RAM and SCSI port
(8,Joe Hutsko) added dimension of expandability
(8,Joe Hutsko) wide range of product's. up to 7 can connect
(8,Joe Hutsko) AST etc, are all announcing SCSI hard disks and tape
(8,Joe Hutsko) backups for Macintosh Plus
(8,Joe Hutsko) Cursor keys and Numeric keys are on the KEYBOARD!
(8,Joe Hutsko) The new keyboard is very helpful for cursor management
applications
(8,Joe Hutsko) like Word Processing.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Compatible with former software.
(8,Joe Hutsko) New Macterminal 2.0
(8,Joe Hutsko) Higher performance software will now be available due to more
(8,Joe Hutsko) powerful machine
(8,Joe Hutsko) OUTPUT...
(8,Joe Hutsko) LaserWriter Plus adds 7 new font family's
(8,Joe Hutsko) over thirty new font types...
(8,Joe Hutsko) New Laserwriter Plus supports upgrade to font family's
(8,Joe Hutsko) making mac plus and laser plus a more powerful desktop publishing
(8,Joe Hutsko) solution.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Mac Software has come a long way.
(8,Joe Hutsko) New more powerful applications...
(8,Joe Hutsko) New typefaces on Mac Plus, and here they are...
(8,Joe Hutsko) (New KEYCAPS DA shows all fonts, etc.)
(8,Joe Hutsko) New Control Panel...etc....
(8,Joe Hutsko) These are just some of the ways mac plus and laser plus will
change the way we
(8,Joe Hutsko) work in 1986.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Mac Plus on schedule!
(8,Joe Hutsko) Bill CAMPBELL, is comming up to the stage.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Neil, 3500 dealers and sales people are here,,.,
(8,Joe Hutsko) Market needs drive the perfection of our products.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Neil, do you have a few questions i may answer while bill is
talking?
(8,Neil/Sysop) Well, what was the best received announcement??
(8,Joe Hutsko) The continued development to keep making
(8,Joe Hutsko) the mac and our other products
(8,Joe Hutsko) better and better
(8,Joe Hutsko) this is by no means ever gonna be a final product
(8,Joe Hutsko) The mac plus is just product # 2 in our mac line
(8,Joe Hutsko) and as Del said, 1986 will be a very
(8,Joe Hutsko) very important product year. More announcements.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Mac Plus represents evolution in not just product
(8,Joe Hutsko) but also our company to demonstrate our ability
(8,Joe Hutsko) to adapt technology for people who need and use it.
(8,Peter Richardson) Is the MAC PLUS the same size screen etc. Joe ?
(8,Joe Hutsko) Yes, same case, but the back now has SCSI and mini connectors
for the
(8,Joe Hutsko) former ports.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Bigger keyboard.
(8,Joe Hutsko) External disk drive, 800k also available.
(8,Joe Hutsko) smaller than current disk drive,
(8,Douglas Adams) Will a current HD20 be able to
(8,Douglas Adams) MacPlus in the future?
(8,Joe Hutsko) Mac Plus is $2595.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Yes, Doug its available now to MacPlus.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Auto boot upon power up!
(8,Peter Richardson) Thank you
(8,Joe Hutsko) $1995, or is it $1999. for the Mac 512k.
(8,Robert Darko) is speed up dues only to new Roms and disk?
(8,Joe Hutsko) Quick Draw was cleaned up also.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Scrolling menu's wont stop you from having as many
(8,Joe Hutsko) fonts and da's as you can fit on your machine.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Also, at the desktop level, there is a box in the
(8,Joe Hutsko) right hand corner of the windows that allow
(8,Bob Perez) Joe, could you outline the cost of various upgrade components?
(8,Joe Hutsko) Zoom up and Down from window size.
(8,Peter Richardson) Any news on color additions (God forgive ) ? JOE.
(8,Joe Hutsko) bob, I don't have the exact prices...
(8,Joe Hutsko) Peter, no announcement regarding color, announcement
(8,Roger Schmidgall) Joe, will new Mac have 12 mghz 68000 like Lazerwriter?
(8,Joe Hutsko) was that this is only product #2 in a whold line of
(8,Joe Hutsko) products for the macintosh and mac family.
(8,Peter Richardson) ok
(8,Douglas Adams) I'm puzzled. The HD20 connector currently fits just the
external drive port. How
(8,Joe Hutsko) Doug, you mean a SCSI HD 20, well I can't detail, but it
(8,Bill S [Sysop]) Will there be a HD20 Scusi drive from Apple?
(8,Joe Hutsko) is much faster to use SCSI and several
(8,Joe Hutsko) developers are announcing HD SCSI drives at MACWORLD.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Ie...70 meg SCSI AST drive with tape backup.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Did everyone catch the part about the Lisa Mac/XL upgrade ?>
(8,Gary Kato) Don't tempt me Joe. [ Ed. note: A notorious Lisa fan ]
(8,Joe Hutsko) Gary, its just for you!
(8,Tom Mackie) Joe, don't you have any pricing?
(8,Joe Hutsko) Tom, yes and no, the press release is safer as it is exact.
(8,Joe Hutsko) I can ball park.
(8,Joe Hutsko) I mentioned the Mac Plus price of $2595.
(8,Joe Hutsko) etc.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Keyboard for upgrade is outright purchase.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Disk drive and rom upgrade available
(8,Joe Hutsko) then logic board swap, upgrade make your mac a mac plus.
(8,Joe Hutsko) I will again, stress read the press release, and these are
(8,Joe Hutsko) ball parks!
(8,Joe Hutsko) Keyboard is I think $129.
(8,Mike O'Connor) Signatures in back of new case?
(8,Joe Hutsko) Rom and Disk drive upgrade is Somewhere between $300. and $400.
(8,Gerry Phibbs) Ballpark $, Joe?
(8,Joel Finkle) How to logic board swap if new connectors??
(8,Joe Hutsko) and finally, the logic board upgrade, and I really cant guess.
(8,Joe Hutsko) cant remember.
(8,Joe Hutsko) Thank you.
(8,Gary Kato) Thanks for putting up with us, Joe!
(8,Gary Kato) (jumping up and down) Lisa FOREVER!
(8,John Cross) XL upgrade $1500 for MacPlus and HD20
(8,Rob Hahn) Neil, are we allowed to type?
(8,Neil/Sysop) Rob, sure crash the bugger!
(8,Bill S [Sysop]) since Joe didn't know the board price for upgrade, we
can't calculate...
(8,Tom Mackie) Rob, you have the price sheets?
(8,Rob Hahn) yes
(8,Rob Hahn) Price is $799 for 512K to 1 Meg. Foe REVERYONE
(8,Peter Polash) the $2000 must have been the price for a new 512.
(8,Rob Hahn) Total:$1100
(8,Stephen Ellett) You can get a 1 meg without the roms??
(8,Rob Hahn) does not include keyboard
(8,Jack Brindle) so when are they shipping - and when can we get one?
(8,Rob Hahn) Feb 15
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eric \|/sam@ccitv3.UUCP (02/10/86)
> > The following is an edited Compuserve Form transcript reprinted here from > our internal notes file. This is a *long* dialog sorry about the length; > many people wanted to see it. > > Thanks goes to Pat for gathering this information. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > (8,John Sculley) Hello! *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** Although I'm sure the intentions were good, I think it likely that the poster of the above could (and probably should) be sued. Who edited that stuff anyway. Lots and lots of comments taken completely out of context and next to impossible to understand. (Apple is buying Cray, huh?) Sam Mantel -- Roch, NY