[net.micro.mac] DBMS survey result

lee@butler.UUCP (Kyu Lee) (02/27/86)

I promised in my prior posting that the summary of dbms survey will
be posted on 26 FEB.  This is 27 FEB, & I am 1 day late.  Anyway,
here we go.

Actually, I was disappointed by the lack of responses, but then maybe
a survey was done not long ago. If so, would somebody kind enough to
E-mail me a copy?
	...uw-beaver!teltone!dataio!butler!lee

Number of responses:	3 users & 2 vendors

Disclaimer, Qualifications, etc.:  Most information are based on
the responses & I am not responsible for any mistakes/misquotes
except the prices; I used round figures wherever possible to reflect
the real prices, not a hoaky $399.99 scheme the vendors are so fond of.
Maybe I should conduct another survey to find out how many people
are really fooled to think that this is $300!

SUMMARY:	
   1.	Reflex (Borland International): PC.  For simple to moderately 
	sophisticated use, it is capable, easy to use, and works 
	as specified.  Also has spreadsheet capabilities.  The
	user is very satisfied. Lists at $100.  Full text below.
   2.	File (Microsoft). Mac.  A file manager, not a dbms, but
	works well for what it is intended for. <$200.  Full
	text below.
   3.	Rbase 5000 (MicroRim).  IBM/Pc.  Most satisfied.  Very
	powerfull, easy to use, and is a quality product. Lists 
	at $800
   4.	db_VISTA (RAIMA).  MS-DOS, Mac, Unix.  A network model DBMS
	Suited for experienced C-programmers.  Lists at $200 for
	single-user w/o source.	My transposition of the vendor response 
	below.
   5.	Interlace (Singular Software).  Mac.
	A good review by Dennis Collier in Apple-Drllo. User-friendly,
	good tutorials.  Can handle multiple files.  Follows Mac
	interface. Lists at $140.

DETAILS:

Sande Nissen of ATT on Reflex:

I have used many low-end DBMS on the IBM PC and clones, and several of the
high-end products.  For simple to moderately sophisticated use, I have
abandoned all the products but one: Borland International's Reflex (previously
from Analytica Corp).  For $99.95, it has the functionality of a powerful
single-file DBMS with all the capabilities of a spreadsheet.  However, I 
chose the package because of its high quality and smooth interface.  By high
quality, I mean that operations work the way you would expect them to, with
reasonable defaults and excellent error trapping.  By smooth interface, I
mean that the displays and keyboard sequences are efficient and very clear,
even with three windows on the screen at once.  It also stores data very
efficiently by storing all text fields as varaible length.  The only
weaknesses I see in this package are the stringent system requirements.  It
only runs on the IBM PC and 100% compatibles, with at least 384K and some
graphics card (IBM standard color card or Hercules).  However, Borland is
continuing development on this product, and I think future versions will
run on more systems (including the Mac?) and have even more capacity and
functionality.  What more could you ask?
					Sande Nissen
Disclaimer: These views are mine today; they do not represent the opinions
of my employers, and I am not affiliated with Borland International.
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Steve Langdon of Amdahl Corp. on Microsoft File:


In article <165@butler.UUCP> you write:
> I am soliciting your experiences & opinions on various database
> management systems on IBM PC (PC/XT/AT) or MAC.

I use Microsoft File on a Mac.  It is not really a DBMS, rather it is a
smart file manager and report generator.

> 	.Usability
> 	.Ease of use
It does most things on needs to do at home fairly well.  There are a few
counter intuitive pieces of behaviour about storing a "Form" with a file
but it is pretty good overall and much better than almost anything else
I have tried.  Note that I have not tried all that many things.
> 	.Batch or Interactive?
Interactive
> 	.Use of graphics: color/black? Resolution?
Pictures can be stored as fields in a record.  Standard Mac screen stuff.
> 	.Quality & Quality control
Good.
> 	.Support
I just signed up for an update costing $10
> 	.Maturity of the product
Available for over a year.
> 	.Cost
More than $100 less than $200
> 	.Type of Application
See above
> 	.Hardwares it supports, i.e., does it run both on PC &
> 	 Mac or any other machines?  I am more interested in the
> 	 user interface issues here than the actual implementation.
Mac only.
> 	.Address of the vendor
Look it up Microsoft in any micro magazine
> 	.Performance (speed)
Not very fast, but not painfully slow.
> 	.Hardware Requirements: memory, disk, etc.
Any reasonable Mac configuration (ie. > 400K of disk space, > 128k memory
desirable, but not absolutely required).

Steve Langdon  ...!{ihnp4,cbosgd,hplabs,sun}!amdahl!sjl  +1 408 746 6970
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Peter Korn of UC/Berkeley on R:base 5000:

In article <165@butler.UUCP> you write:
>I am soliciting your experiences & opinions on various database
>management systems on IBM PC (PC/XT/AT) or MAC.

R:base 5000.  I speak as a *most* satisfied user.
>
>	.Usability
Very powerful (most powerful micro database I've ever seen.
>	.Ease of use
from 1-10, 8++.  It's got a graphic database set up program, or you can
do it through the command language.  I usually use the program, and then
modify fromthe command language
>	.Batch or Interactive?
Both.  It will compile applications, or just take input from a file (batch
file, which is different from an application).
>	.Use of graphics: color/black? Resolution?
Nice use of graphics, no color.  I don't have a Herculese card, so I
don't know if it uses that.
>	.Quality & Quality control
All serious bugs taken care of when they went from R:base 4000 to 5000.
There were some online help files missing in 1.0, and one feature of the
one of the sample DBMS turnkey systems (applications) didn't work.
>	.Support
I'm very happy with it.
>	.Maturity of the product
Very.
>	.Cost
Very.  $795 (mail order for $450 probably)
>	.Type of Application
Relational database, compiler, etc. etc.  Also will automatically create
the *entire* database from dBaseII, PFS, and many many others.
>	.Hardwares it supports, i.e., does it run both on PC &
>	 Mac or any other machines?  I am more interested in the
>	 user interface issues here than the actual implementation.
IBM PC or compatible.  Needs 256K, wants >=512K
>	.Address of the vendor
MicroRim.  I don't have the address here at home.
>	.Performance (speed)
Decently fast.  Key the fields and you're really in business.
>	.Hardware Requirements: memory, disk, etc.
W/out a hard drive you're gonna get real annoyed real fast.
>

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db_VISTA (RAIMA): Transcribed by K.Lee from the RAIMA's response.

Usability:	For experienced C-programmers
Interactive/batch:	Interactive
Graphics:	User can program to interface to graphics
Support:	90 day warranty.  Support for fee available.
Maturity:	1 1/2 yrs old
Cost:		$200 for single-user w/o source
		$500 for single-user with source/Multi-user w/o source
		$990 for Multi-user with source.
Hardware:	MS-DOS, Mac, Unix.
Address:	Raima Corporation
		12201 SE 10th St.
		Bellevue, WA  98005
Hardware Req.:  >64K.
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Interlace(Singular Software):

Interactive/batch:	Interactive
Cost:		$140
Hardware:	Mac
Address:	Singular Software
		5888 Castano Drive
		San Jose, CA  95129
System Req.:	512K, 2 drives
Other :		Dennis Collier rates **** out of 5.(Apple-Drlla?)
Disclaimer:	All information based on vendor's literature.