baron@runx.OZ (Jason Haines) (04/19/86)
Ever since I began using System version 3.1, it crashes during disk i/o, with my own programs, with MacWrite, with MacPaint, MacDraw , ResEdit, and Font/DA mover. The crash appears as a vertical band of garbage on the screen. Any ideas? /* Jason Haines STD: (02) 73-4444 * ElecEng Undergraduate ISD: +61 2 73-4444 * 73 Davidson Avenue ACSnet: baron@runx * Concord NSW 2137 CSNET: baron@runx.oz * AUSTRALIA ARPA: baron%runx.oz@seismo.css.gov * * UUCP: * {enea,hplabs,mcvax,prlb2,seismo,ubc-vision,ukc}!munnari!runx.oz!baron */
akk2@ur-tut.UUCP (A Kacker) (04/23/86)
In article <1035@runx.OZ> baron@runx.OZ (Jason Haines) writes: > >Ever since I began using System version 3.1, it crashes during disk i/o, with >my own programs, with MacWrite, with MacPaint, MacDraw , ResEdit, and Font/DA >mover. The crash appears as a vertical band of garbage on the screen. >Any ideas? > > >/* Jason Haines STD: (02) 73-4444 > * ElecEng Undergraduate ISD: +61 2 73-4444 Apple recommends in its December supplement notes, that one should use System 3.1.1 and not 3.1. You should be able to get a copy of System 3.1.1 from your friendly Apple dealer. It is on the System Installation disk in the Dec supplement. The system version on the Printer Installer disk is alas 3.1. Replacing this with 3.1.1 does not work, but I'm sure one could patch the Installer to get around this. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A.Kacker UUCP : {allegra|seismo|decvax}!rochester!ur-tut!akk2 BITNET : HNUC@UORVM =========================================================================
werner@ut-dillo (05/01/86)
In article <247@ur-tut.UUCP>, akk2@ur-tut.UUCP (A Kacker) writes: > In article <1035@runx.OZ> baron@runx.OZ (Jason Haines) writes: > > > >Ever since I began using System version 3.1, it crashes during disk i/o, with > > Apple recommends in its December supplement notes, that one should use > System 3.1.1 and not 3.1. You should be able to get a copy of System 3.1.1 > from your friendly Apple dealer. It is on the System Installation disk in the > Dec supplement. .... Before we get everyone mad when their "friendly Apple dealer" refuses to hand out anything but 3.0, let's make it clear that Apple does not provide their dealers with Supplements nor have they instructed them nor given them permission to distribute anything but what comes with the Mac+ and the ROM/disk/memory upgrade, mainly Finder-5.1, System-3.0, Font/DA-Mover-3.0 ...which is a crying shame (please correct me if I'm wrong) !!! Of course, a dealer could (for money) order the Tech Notes and Supplements from Apple, and, yes, in the docs of the 85/12 Supplement Apple tells the reader (developers, mainly) to use the accompanying latest Finder and System (5.2/3.1.1) with the program-products that they sell (if they have a license to do so), however a quick check at the local consortium store (supposedly sold more MACs than anyone else so far) showed that they a) neither have the Supplement b) nor are they routinely providing their customers with anything but the Apple System-Disks that come with the hardware - (special requests by 'knowledgable' customers may be granted - but I'm not sure that they always have the 'latest and best', besides, it's not really done as a policy but rather as a "favour" by and to individuals) ---Werner 'if you find a local dealer who gives you support, be willing to pay a few $s over the mail-order price, otherwise *DON'T* ...' PS: I meant to mention that System-3.2 has been sighted ....Rumour has it that it's *BETTER*, *FASTER*, *SMALLER* (well, maybe not the latter) all kind of bugs got fixed ..... will all the Ghostbusters with nerves and a "good hard-disk back-up discipline" please step forward?! Me? I'm still a nervous wreck from last time when I had doubts that I could recover my HD....
werner@ut-dillo (05/01/86)
one additional quote from the Dec-85 Supplement: [from "About the Supplement, page 7] Except those marked with an asterisk ... [refering to Alpha-versions of files "Hard Disk 20" and an Installer Script "External Drive" that allows use of an external 800K-drive in an "old-ROM" 512K MAC ] ...all files on this disk are available for licensing. If you have a license for the Macintosh System Disk, your license automatically extends to the software on this disk [ meaning Finder-5.2, System-3.1.1, etc.] ... the question is, does an Apple dealer have a software license or not? I'd suspect it's one thing to sell hardware which includes Apple-software, but handing out software upgrades is something totally different (to those in business and dealing with lawyers, anyway)
hammen@puff.UUCP (Robert J. Hammen) (05/02/86)
In article <214@ut-dillo.UUCP>, werner@ut-dillo.UUCP (Werner Uhrig) writes: > > Apple recommends in its December supplement notes, that one should use > > System 3.1.1 and not 3.1. You should be able to get a copy of System 3.1.1 > > from your friendly Apple dealer. It is on the System Installation disk in the > > Dec supplement. .... Yesterday, in talking with a couple of the people at our school's Microcomputer Information Center, I found out that, according to what the local Apple people have told them, the official Apple Finder/System is Finder 5.1 and System 3.1. They showed me a sheet, from Apple, of all of the current version numbers. When I asked them why Apple was then shipping 5.2 and 3.1.1 out with the MacPascal 2.0 upgrade, they said that Apple had claimed it was a mistake. I really can't understand this. Wasn't 3.1 the 'deadly system' that no one was supposed to use (according to InfoWorld a couple of weeks back)? Is this true? Is the Apple Chicago office screwed up, or what? Sheesh. There's gotta be a better way of letting people know about upgrades/bugs. You have no idea how many people I've seen show up in the MIC who know absolutely nothing about the existence of *Finder 4.1* and MacWrite 4.5. Anyway, would someone at Apple be kind enough to let us know what the *official* release version is? The MIC here will only give out 5.1/3.1, and I suspect that Apple's confusion on this matter is also the reason why most dealers won't give out the new system. > > PS: I meant to mention that System-3.2 has been sighted ....Rumour has it > that it's *BETTER*, *FASTER*, *SMALLER* (well, maybe not the latter) > all kind of bugs got fixed ..... will all the Ghostbusters with > nerves and a "good hard-disk back-up discipline" please step forward?! > Me? I'm still a nervous wreck from last time when I had doubts that > I could recover my HD.... I have a copy of System 3.2b4 (I think that's the right version) and Finder 5.3(??) which I got at the MacExpo in Chicago. Although I'm not going to use either until they're officially released (I've been happy with 5.2/3.1.1 so far), they seem to work ok, although I don't think they got smaller..... At one of the booths, they were running one of the new system versions, and they found a nice bug.... Seems that the standard file package wouldn't open up documents with any program, and so the only way to open documents was to double-click on them. All the more reason *NOT* to play with these things until they're officially released. By the way, ResEdit 1.0D12 exists (it was floating around at the show). I've got a copy, and have used it quite a bit without any problems. Switcher 4.9, however, seems to have some problems, possibly with MacServe. And, while we're on the topic of versions, Red Ryder 9.0 is out to registered users, and it has problems with XMODEM file transfers timing out--seems that the throughput was increased so much so that RR is too fast for most boards (this was verified by a number of people from The Rest of Us, the Chicago area user's group). Robert J. Hammen {seismo,allegra,ihnp4,harvard,topaz}!uwvax!puff!hammen UW-Madison CS Dept. hammen@puff.wisc.edu UW-Madison Plasma Physics Dept. plasma%wiscpsl.bitnet {@wiscvm.wisc.edu} ---- Working here is like being in a nightmare. You'd like to get out of it, but you need the sleep.
jmm@pavepaws.berkeley.edu (James M. Moore) (05/04/86)
Last I heard (at the Berkeley Macintosh UG meeting on 2 May) was that System 3.2 and Finder 5.3 are supposed to be coming out approximately the middle of this month. They will be with us for a LONG time. Seems like Apple's finally realized they need to make sure software works before they release it. BTW, all those d1234... versions of software are only beta test (and someone said they're supposed to be internal Apple only, but I don't know how strictly that is supposed to be enforced.) If you're dealer's not giving out 3.1.1 and 5.2, they're not doing their job. Find another one. James
briand@tekig4.UUCP (Brian Diehm) (05/06/86)
>If you're dealer's not giving out 3.1.1 and 5.2, >they're not doing their job. Find another one. Hear hear. My dealer, within walking distance of the local Apple office, has stated that Apple approves of the distribution of 3.1.1 and Finder 5.2. It is an "official" release for those requesting bug fixes. -Brian Diehm Tektronix, Inc.
dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) (05/07/86)
> Seems like Apple's finally > realized they need to make sure software works before they release it. BTW, > all those d1234... versions of software are only beta test (and someone said > they're supposed to be internal Apple only, but I don't know how strictly that > is supposed to be enforced.) Probably not too strictly, given that ResEdit 1.0D7 is distributed with LightspeedC... -- | Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois --+-- | Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings | toward the south? Job 39:26
dad@mit-vax.UUCP (David Duff) (05/14/86)
In article <646@tekig4.UUCP> briand@tekig4.UUCP (Brian Diehm) writes: >>If you're dealer's not giving out 3.1.1 and 5.2, >>they're not doing their job. Find another one. > >Hear hear. My dealer, within walking distance of the local Apple office, >has stated that Apple approves of the distribution of 3.1.1 and Finder 5.2. >It is an "official" release for those requesting bug fixes. I have had terrible luck with Apple dealers in my (Boston) area. I'd like to know if others have had similar problems. I've been trying to get an upgrade for my Macterminal program for several months now and have had (almost) no success. At one point, in early April, I had visited a total of five Apple dealers and could not come up with a copy of the upgrade. One dealer was about to go out of business, one had just gotten back in to business, but the others seemed to be completely oblivious to the fact that the upgrade existed (It came out in mid-January, as I recall). When I finally found a dealer who had the upgrade, HE INSISTED THAT I PAY HIM FOR THE UPGRADE!! Needless to say, I was pissed off. I've had similar experiences with dealers in the past. I once went out in search of a replacement battery for my mac, only to have people in three different stores insist that there was no battery in the mac at all. I can't believe the incompetence of the computer salespeople that I've come across in this area. I later bumped in to an Apple rep at a demo and told her about what I had observed and she didn't really seem to care much about it either way. I asked her whether it was "legal" for that dealer to charge for the upgrade that was supposed to be free and she said that it was ok with Apple. She said Apple encouraged dealers to provide the upgrades for free but could not force them. What I'd like to know is this: 1) Have other people had similar problems with incompetent or uncooperative dealers? 2) Does Apple really not care about this? 3) Can anyone suggest a good Apple dealer in the Boston/Cambridge area? Thanks.
ix21@sdcc6.UUCP (David Whiteman) (05/15/86)
My Apple dealer recently mailed my a post card annoucing a system upgrade -- he is distributing version 3.2b1 of the system. Now I thought under Apple's new numbering system that the "b" designates a beta test version, but my dealer states that this is an official version. I noticed that the "D" in ResEdit version 1.0D7 is upper case while the "b" is lower case. Does Apple's new numbering system, D for development, A for alpha test, B for beta test, not apply in this case? Or is Apple distributing an official beta test version? My dealer told me that even version 3.1.1 has bugs. How long do the new ROM/ Mac Plus have to wait before a bug free system is available? -- ---- David Whiteman, University of California, San Diego
jimb@amdcad.UUCP (Jim Budler) (05/26/86)
In article <214@ut-dillo> werner%ut-dillo@ut-dillo.UUCP writes: >Before we get everyone mad when their "friendly Apple dealer" refuses to >hand out anything but 3.0, let's make it clear that Apple does not provide >their dealers with Supplements nor have they instructed them nor given them >permission to distribute anything but what comes with the Mac+ and the >ROM/disk/memory upgrade, mainly Finder-5.1, System-3.0, Font/DA-Mover-3.0 > >...which is a crying shame (please correct me if I'm wrong) !!! > >Of course, a dealer could (for money) order the Tech Notes and Supplements >from Apple, and, yes, in the docs of the 85/12 Supplement Apple tells >the reader (developers, mainly) to use the accompanying latest Finder and >System (5.2/3.1.1) with the program-products that they sell (if they have >a license to do so), however a quick check at the local consortium store >(supposedly sold more MACs than anyone else so far) showed that they >a) neither have the Supplement b) nor are they routinely providing their >customers with anything but the Apple System-Disks that come with the >hardware - (special requests by 'knowledgable' customers may be granted - >but I'm not sure that they always have the 'latest and best', besides, it's >not really done as a policy but rather as a "favour" by and to individuals) For the record my 128KROM/drive upgrade installed last weekend came with Macintosh Plus System Tools. This contained system 3.1, finder 5.2, Font/DA Mover 3.1, Imagewriter 2.2. I assume that as of a week ago, this is the official supported level. I've never had a problem with system 3.1, and the information I've gotten is that the problems it has only exist with CERTAIN, VERY LARGE applications. -- Jim Budler Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (408) 749-5806 Usenet: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amdcad!jimb Compuserve: 72415,1200
jimb@amdcad.UUCP (Jim Budler) (05/26/86)
In article <2611@sdcc6.UUCP> ix21@sdcc6.UUCP (David Whiteman) writes: >apply in this case? Or is Apple distributing an official beta test >version? My dealer told me that even version 3.1.1 has bugs. How >long do the new ROM/ Mac Plus have to wait before a bug free system >is available? > > I don't know, but I'd guess it would be about the same amount of time until people get a bug free Unix, a bug free PC-DOS, and a bug free (add your favorite computer program here). -- Jim Budler Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (408) 749-5806 Usenet: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amdcad!jimb Compuserve: 72415,1200
werner@ut-ngp.UUCP (Werner Uhrig) (05/28/86)
> For the record my 128KROM/drive upgrade installed last weekend came with > Macintosh Plus System Tools. This contained system 3.1, finder 5.2, Font/DA > Mover 3.1, Imagewriter 2.2. > > I assume that as of a week ago, this is the official supported level. > > I've never had a problem with system 3.1, and the information I've gotten > is that the problems it has only exist with CERTAIN, VERY LARGE applications. Apple *OFFICIALLY* discourages the use of System-3.1 (that's been printed in many places) - and I'd bet you can't find a single Apple-employee that would use System-3.1 himself. Finder 5.3 and System 3.2 prereleases seem to be faster and pretty reliable with my working-set of programs (no Laserwriter, no AppleTalk, no SCSI)
sam@cci632.UUCP (Sam Mantel) (05/28/86)
In article <2611@sdcc6.UUCP>, ix21@sdcc6.UUCP writes: > version? My dealer told me that even version 3.1.1 has bugs. How > long do the new ROM/ Mac Plus have to wait before a bug free system > is available? > > The cost of providing a "bug free system" is infinity. If you would like to pay for such a system, I am sure Apple would like to talk to you. Sam Mantel -- Roch, NY
jimb@amdcad.UUCP (Jim Budler) (06/01/86)
In article <3453@ut-ngp.UUCP> werner@ngp.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes: >> For the record my 128KROM/drive upgrade installed last weekend came with >> Macintosh Plus System Tools. This contained system 3.1, finder 5.2, Font/DA >> Mover 3.1, Imagewriter 2.2. >> >> I assume that as of a week ago, this is the official supported level. >> >> I've never had a problem with system 3.1, and the information I've gotten >> is that the problems it has only exist with CERTAIN, VERY LARGE applications. > >Apple *OFFICIALLY* discourages the use of System-3.1 (that's been printed in >many places) - and I'd bet you can't find a single Apple-employee that would >use System-3.1 himself. > That's nice, where is it? Apple's *OFFICIAL* statement, posted on Compuserve Macintosh Developers group said 3.0 was DANGEROUS, 3.1 had bugs related to memory management of large programs (they bomb), and that 3.1.1 fixed THOSE bugs. It's real nice that Apple employees don't use 3.1, but are you sure they use 3.2? THEY could be on 3.4 for all we know, OR CARE! The latest DISTRIBUTED AT A DEALER WITH HARDWARE ON A DISK MULTIPLY GENERATED BY APPLE (no hand printed labels, please) system/finder that I have heard of is 3.1/5.2. >Finder 5.3 and System 3.2 prereleases seem to be faster and pretty reliable ^^^^^^^^^^^ >with my working-set of programs (no Laserwriter, no AppleTalk, no SCSI) Weren't we talking about OFFICIAL? I haven't been able to get a copy of 3.1.1 system, let alone 3.2. Go suck an egg. -- Jim Budler Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (408) 749-5806 Usenet: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amdcad!jimb Compuserve: 72415,1200
jimb@amdcad.UUCP (Jim Budler) (06/04/86)
In article <11854@amdcad.UUCP> jimb@amdcad.UUCP (Jim Budler) writes: >In article <3453@ut-ngp.UUCP> werner@ngp.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes: Statements concerning the advisability of using System 3.1 or 3.1.1. To which I replied: > >Go suck an egg. >-- > Jim Budler My words, and I must live by them. Werner sent me a nice gentlemanly, *Private*, reply to my uncalled for, and ill-mannered statement above. I have sent a short (too short) apology to him, but on reflection decided that a public attack deserved a public apology. Therefore: I'm sorry, Werner. -- Jim Budler Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (408) 749-5806 Usenet: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amdcad!jimb Compuserve: 72415,1200