shulman@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (Jeff Shulman) (08/04/86)
Delphi Mac Digest Monday, 4 August 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 33
Today's Topics:
RE: Mac Cache
RE: Desk Accessories with ID's over 26
RE: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #60 (Re: Msg 11037)
RE: how does one change the opening default font
ZBasic anyone?
RE: ZBasic...? (Re: Msg 444)
Switcher & My Favorite Development Envir
Lightspeed C - "Out of Memory" Error Mes
RE: Lightspeed C - "Out of Memory" Error (Re: Msg 448)
Re: Lightspeed C - "out of memory" error
RE: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #60 (Re: Msg 11008)
Anaheim Show
RE: new hard disk (Re: Msg 10888)
RE: new hard disk (Re: Msg 11070)
Re: Disk Space
Double Apple bug
RE: Double Apple bug (Re: Msg 11074)
VAXintosh
RE: VAXintosh (Re: Msg 11079)
RE: VAXintosh (Re: Msg 11087)
RE: VAXintosh (Re: Msg 11089)
RE: File menu and DA's (Re: Msg 445)
Appletalk IW II
The twilight zone finder
RE: The twilight zone finder (Re: Msg 11110)
LW toner
RE: LW toner
RE: LW toner
RE: LW toner
hardware woes
RE: hardware woes (Re: Msg 11127)
RE: hardware woes (Re: Msg 11136)
RE: Mac C for MPW? (Re: Msg 291)
RE: PostScript and the new fonts in the (Re: Msg 11123)
RR 9.4 bug?
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From: PEABO (11030)
Subject: RE: Mac Cache
Date: 1-AUG-01:09: Network Digests
>From: wert@iapetus.rice.edu@rice.EDU (Scott Comer)
>Subject: Re: Mac Cache
>Date: 28 Jul 86 23:39:14 GMT
>Organization: Rice University, Houston
>
>In article <167@cascade.STANFORD.EDU> leeke@cascade.UUCP (Steven D. Leeke)
>writes:
>>
>>...
>>
>>In general, DO NOT just use CMD-SHIFT-1/2 to eject disks and turn the Mac
>>off when you are still in an application, but you have saved & closed your
>>document. Return to the desktop, Shut Down, and then turn the Mac off.
>
>Any why not? _Eject does a _FlushVol, and CMD-SHIFT-1/2 does an _Eject. Your
>floppy is no more nor less safe than when doing a Shutdown from the Finder.
>Your hard disk is still vulnerable. Perhaps someone should write a flush all
>volumes DA?
It is possible to eject volumes with open files this way. Try doing this in
Microsoft WORD sometime, and take a look at what is on the disk after you
reboot -- you will find files labelled MW0002, MW0006, etc.
peter
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From: LOFTUSBECKER (11036)
Subject: RE: Desk Accessories with ID's over 26
Date: 1-AUG-07:17: Network Digests
"Is there a way to install Desk Accessories with ID's over 26
in the System file without using ResEd to patch all owned resources?"
Yes.
Here's one that should work. It requires (1) that the slot you want to
install the DA in is presently free; (2) that you have the Other... 2.x
desk accessory or the DA Key 2.x FKEY installed; and (3) that the
slot you want to install the DA in is the _first_ free slot greater
than 12 (if you don't care which slot it goes in, you can forget about
this one).
(a) Make a copy of the Font/DA Mover file. This isn't necessary,
but wise for safety in case something goes wrong.
(b) Invoke Other... or DA Key, and choose the copy of the Font/DA
mover file. You will get a dialog box saying that the accessory has to
be renumbered. Choose "Okay." The DA will be renumbered and will
be (temporarily) installed.
(c) Run ResEd. The copy of the Font/DA mover file should have
been renumbered, and all you will have to do is Copy and Paste the
resources into the System file. Other... or DA Key will have done the
renumbering for you.
If there is a serious need, I can probably make a small stand-alone
application that will do nothing but renumber Font/DA Mover files to
any user-selected identification.
- Lofty Becker
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From: MACINTOUCH (11040)
Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #60 (Re: Msg 11037)
Date: 1-AUG-08:57: Network Digests
Lofty,
I think the standalone program would be great, especially if it showed the ID
numbers of what's currently installed in the System (and the ID numbers of the
DA one wishes to change).
Ric
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From: LOFTUSBECKER (11037)
Subject: RE: how does one change the opening default font
Date: 1-AUG-07:17: Network Digests
>Memory fails me, so I ask the net: how does one change the opening default
>font in, say, MacWrite? I almost always use Helvetica and would like to
>open to it every time. Help??!
Change App Font desk accessory (in Public Domain database here, I think) will
let you change the default application font and MacWrite will use it for New
documents. My program KeyMap, on Quick & Dirty Utilities Vol. 2, will also
change the default application font. Get version 1.1 if you have a Mac Plus.
- Lofty Becker
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From: MUSICWORKS (11033)
Subject: ZBasic anyone?
Date: 1-AUG-02:12: Programming
Hi anybody used ZBasic ?
I am looking into getting it Any comment / suggestion ?
Jundi
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From: DIHEDRAL (449)
Subject: RE: ZBasic...? (Re: Msg 444)
Date: 1-AUG-23:01: Programming Techniques
Why Basic? I would use C (and do) because there is a lot of expertise avalible
on the BBSs to help with problems and questions. C also has some 'neat' data
structures like structs and unions that I don't think are avalible in Basic.
Good luck however you go.
__Jerry
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From: PEABO (446)
Subject: Switcher & My Favorite Development Envir
Date: 1-AUG-19:10: Programming Techniques
Well, I decided it's about time I took the plunge with my Mac Plus and started
using Switcher as an envelope for development. After all, I would then be
likely to find out about compatibility problems in my application while I'm
still working on it (and anyway, I have some ideas for development tools that
make use of Switcher).
Sucker! I tried running LightspeedC under switcher and Kaboom! It
crashes into a neat dialog box RIGHT AWAY saying sorry, the program
was terminated by a system error.
Does anyone know if this is generally true of LightspeedC under
Switcher X.XX or just a peculairity of 5.0b4 which I have on my disk?
I'd really like to have the LSC editor available at a flick of the
switch, running in (say) a half megabyte and still be able to run
other stuff in another partition.
peter
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From: BRUSSES (448)
Subject: Lightspeed C - "Out of Memory" Error Mes
Date: 1-AUG-23:00: Current Discussions
I've been working on an application in Lightspeed C and have hit a
small problem. Whenever I now attempt to link an application, I seem
to be getting an "out of memory" message from Lightspeed C.. Since the
manual doesn't seem to mention this message, I was wondering if
somebody could give me some hints on how to workaround this problem.
Thanks!
Bob
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From: RAYSANDERS (451)
Subject: RE: Lightspeed C - "Out of Memory" Error (Re: Msg 448)
Date: 1-AUG-23:21: Current Discussions
Bob: Questions: 1) what level System are you using ?
2) Does this occur when you do a "Build application" and you are feeding a
proj.RSRC with private resources ?
3) Is this on a MacPlus ?
If answer to 2 and 3 are yes and answer to 1 is 3.1.1 or earlier, then you most
likely have a corrupted resource in the proj.RSRC. Look around in it with ResEd
for one that hangs or crashes ResEd. Then update your System to 3.2. System 3.2
patches a Resource Manager bug in the Mac Plus ROM's that is highly suspect as
causing this problem. I have been through this several times. - Ray
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From: BRUSSES (457)
Subject: Re: Lightspeed C - "out of memory" error
Date: 2-AUG-12:21: Current Discussions
Ray, in answer to your questions:
1) What level system am I using? (System V3.2 / Finder V5.3) 2) Does this
occur when you do a "Build application" and you
are feeding a proj.RSRC with private resources ? (Yes!) 3) Is this on a
MacPlus ? (Kind of... It's a 512K with the
new ROM's and a Levco Monster Mac upgrade.)
I did take your suggestion and replaced the "proj.RSRC" file, which caused the
problem to go away! Perhaps the bug is still there, since I haven't used
System 3.1.* while working on this project.
Thanks for your help!
Bob
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From: DDUNHAM (11064)
Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #60 (Re: Msg 11008)
Date: 2-AUG-00:23: Network Digests
> From: mazur@endor.harvard.edu (Eric Mazur)
> Subject: DA/FontMover limitation: Is there a patch?
Use DA Installer+ (part of Quick & Dirty Utilities vol 1 from Dreams of the
Phoenix). There may be some compatibility problems with using more than 15
slots, but I for one don't see that I'll ever have more than 2 SCSI devices on
my system, so there _should_ be spare slots.
> From: gauchs@unc.UUCP (Susan E. Gauch)
> Subject: Business Software for the MacPlus
I've used ClickOn Worksheet, though only for screen graphics (so we could
observe trends). It's real easy.
I assume you've already chosen Acta as your outliner?
Disclaimer: I wrote Acta.
> From: donch@tekirl.UUCP (Don Chitwood)
> Subject: how to change default fonts??
If you have MacWrite 4.5, set the default font with one of the several programs
that do this (I think Lofty Becker wrote an FKEY for Quick & Dirty Utilities
vol. 2, tho it might have been shareware; the shareware PRAM also has this
feature).
MacWrite 2.2 is hardcoded to Geneva-12 and has to be patched in several places.
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From: DDUNHAM (11065)
Subject: Anaheim Show
Date: 2-AUG-00:25: Mousing Around
I went to the Anaheim MacExpo today. It was small, but better than I
expected. Lots of user groups had booths (I met BMUG's Steve Costa
and LAMG's Franklin Tessler), as did vendors (Acta was for sale at >=
3 places). Many of the vendors were "minors," showing fuzzy mouse
covers, cheese-shaped mouse pads, and the like. One of these was
Tacklind Design, makers of teflon mouse feet. They apparently have
gotten good results from my letter to Semaphore Signal, so I'll repeat
my recommendation. For 2.95, this is a true bargain, and is essential
for those of us who have worn the feet off our mouses and are starting
on the black plastic ring. They're at 250 Cowper St, Palo Alto CA
94301, (415) 322-2257. Tell them I sent you!
There were lots of new SCSI disks, but I already have one, so I didn't pay any
attention. The new product that looked most interesting was ComicWorks (which
I think is distributed by Mindscape). While it's not truly object oriented, it
does allow you to overlap different bit-mapped elements and later move the
elements around. It seemed like a bargain, but I forget the price.
Showing, but not yet shipping, was Habaword. I wish they wouldn't
call it that, it appeared to be a very good word processor which shows
multiple columns on screen. It reads MacWrite documents, but doesn't
write them, which lessens its usefulness with PageMaker. I believe
the show price was $149, and it is supposed to be out in 2 weeks.
Several people liked my Mouseketeer T-shirt (including a cute female
*sigh*) and wanted to know where to get them. I should have also
brought some Mouseketeers!
Oh yeah, Cauzin had a moose; apparently someone made a typo when they decided
what costume to get.
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From: VASMUG (11070)
Subject: RE: new hard disk (Re: Msg 10888)
Date: 2-AUG-09:03: Hardware & Peripherals
Josef and others. . . I am looking into a DATAFRAME 20 and do you know if 512's
and Pluses can exist on appletalk together? Also what file server do you use?
Is MAC SERVE the best? Will it allow plusses and non nonpluses to share lan
together. Once logging on , can the 512 switch to the resident system to
utilize programs that would otherwise require more than 512K? Do you like the
Datqaframe 20?
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From: MACINTOUCH (11073)
Subject: RE: new hard disk (Re: Msg 11070)
Date: 2-AUG-12:06: Hardware & Peripherals
There seems to be no problem sharing an AppleTalk network between 512's and
Plusses, as long as they are all running the same version of the Apple system
_software._
MacServe is not a file server - it's a disk server. That means it's
much more limited in usefulness than a real file server like TOPS.
We're testing TOPS now, and it seems quite good for easy copying of
files between Macs. Performance of the Mac processor and of AppleTalk
seems to make it impractical to do extensive sharing of applications
across the network. The HyperDrive 2000 and Levco Prodigy would
proably help the situation, but it seems that AppleTalk is best used
to share _data_, not to run the same program from different Macs.
Ric Ford
"MacInTouch" newsletter
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From: BRECHER (11076)
Subject: Re: Disk Space
Date: 2-AUG-16:06: MUGS Online
To: olson@harvard.HARVARD.EDU (Eric Olson)
Subject: Re: Disk Space
> [The Catalog and Extents files] are fixed-length, fixed-position.
Actually they're variable length, variable position. For a given size
volume, their first extents, created when the volume is initialized,
will always be in the same place and have a given size *provided* that
the initializing software has not overridden the default clump sizes
for the B-tree files. However, if a sufficient number of files s are
subsequently created, the catalog file may grow -- may be split into
multiple extents. The extents file is limited to a single extent,
though, despite the fact that there is space in the Master Directory
Block for three extents records for the extents B-tree file.
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From: MACINTOUCH (11074)
Subject: Double Apple bug
Date: 2-AUG-12:15: Bugs & Features
I've been trying to use the neat "double apple" DA for installing a second DA
menu. It seem to work ok (on HyperDrive, System 3.2) until I try to close it.
I got an ID=28 bomb once from the Finder and two ID=02 bombs on subsequent
attempts. It doesn't seem to matter which way one tries to close it.
Ric
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From: LOFTUSBECKER (11116)
Subject: RE: Double Apple bug (Re: Msg 11074)
Date: 3-AUG-08:01: Bugs & Features
Methinks that's HyperDrive (again!). I've run it several times and no bomb on
exit. System 3.2, Finder 5.3, MacBottom.
- Lofty
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From: MACINTOUCH (11079)
Subject: VAXintosh
Date: 2-AUG-17:41: Mousing Around
The latest issue of the DECUS SIGs Newsletters (August 1986) has an
article called "The VAXintosh Class Workstation" by James Downward.
It discusses how the features pioneered by the Macintosh should be
investigated and applied to computers from other manufacturers
(specifically DEC). It's kind of interesting to see how other
manufacturers still lag behind Apple, even though Apple took a long
time to implement the concepts developed at Xerox. How slowly we move,
and how slowly good ideas travel between computer companies.
Ric
P.S. Jim Downward is the chairman of the VAXintosh working group, and can be
reached c/o KMS Fusion, Inc., PO Box 1567, Ann Arbor, MI 48106. DECUS is the
DEC user group.
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From: PEABO (11087)
Subject: RE: VAXintosh (Re: Msg 11079)
Date: 2-AUG-18:17: Mousing Around
According to a recent article in InfoWorld, DEC will shortly release a $7000
MicroVAX workstation, as a move to protect their CAE market from competition
with SUN, Apollo, and others. One of the others will be Apple, of course.
peter
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From: MACINTOUCH (11089)
Subject: RE: VAXintosh (Re: Msg 11087)
Date: 2-AUG-18:18: Mousing Around
Isn't DEC coming out with one lower-priced than that? Which one's the Star?
Ric
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From: PEABO (11091)
Subject: RE: VAXintosh (Re: Msg 11089)
Date: 2-AUG-18:22: Mousing Around
There is also a machine intended to compete in the IBM PC market. I
have heard it called the VAXmate, so I have to suppose it is also
MicroVAX based, but with an 80286 co-processor. This is all wild-eyed
speculation based on the flimsiest of rumors, however. I think the
VAXstar is the $7K machine. The artcile did *not* say anything about
disk storage and configurations, and it was based on reports by third
parties and not confirmed by DEC.
peter
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From: DDUNHAM (460)
Subject: RE: File menu and DA's (Re: Msg 445)
Date: 2-AUG-18:08: Programming Techniques
Eric Gould(?) of Think said that the (free) September upgrade will not
have Undo in the editor (but will have inline assembly).
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From: MOUSEKETEER (11105)
Subject: Appletalk IW II
Date: 3-AUG-00:30: Hardware & Peripherals
OK, you techies...I need some help here (grin).
Diagnosis: Appletalk Option for my IW II is making things act silly. If I do
any kind of printing, it works great THE FIRST TIME. I.E., if I do a "Print
Selected Text" from RR, it works the first time. Sometimes it works on the
second time. I've never lived through three. RR hangs up, and does nothing.
Silicon Press: I can print a test label, but only once. If I try to print
again, the little timer thing comes up, speeds around once, and sits there...
no printing. I can cancel printing to get out. The only way I have been
able to test and print labels has been to do a Test to align the stock, save
the format, quit silicon press, reboot the mac, restart Silicon Press, load the
label, and then print (is this a workaround or a runaround?).
I'd like to find out if the problem is with the Appletalk Imagewriter driver,
one or both of the programs, anything else?
Perhaps important note. If I get out of a program in which I was hung trying
to print to the IW, starting another program without rebooting (or restarting
the same program without rebooting) does a fine System Error (so I get to
reboot anyway).
The Laserwriter never behaves in this fashion, which leads me to suspect the
Imagewriter driver.
Alf
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From: MACMAG (11110)
Subject: The twilight zone finder
Date: 3-AUG-01:43: Mousing Around
Today I had the strangest thing happen to me while returning from PageMaker to
the Finder ( disclaimer: I beleive that the following is the Finder's fault [
version 5.3 ] and not a real bug but a quirk )
I have 3 icons on my screen ( paradise volume, disk icon, trash )...
I double click on the paradise icon, the trash window opens, I close it and
double-click on the disk icon, the paradise window opens, I double click on the
trash icon, all windows close and the disk's icon opens...
WEIRD.
By the way, it was remedied by re-booting... strange..
Incidentally, is it true that we're going to have a Finder 5.4/system 3.3
upgrade soon ? ( geez, this is worst than RedRyder )... If you really like
upgrades, I suggest you go out and see Friday the 13th part 6 ! ( like we have
no idea what the plot is ).
Rich.
" Bientot pres d'un microscope pres de chez-vous, les Joyeux Lepreux! "
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From: RAYSANDERS (11126)
Subject: RE: The twilight zone finder (Re: Msg 11110)
Date: 3-AUG-12:10: Mousing Around
Rich: To paraphrase Friday 13th (Rel 6.0), "Finder 1.1.g, Nothing this evil
could ever die !" With appologies to the horror flick industry - Ray
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From: JIMH (11120)
Subject: LW toner
Date: 3-AUG-10:52: Programming
Can anyone tell me how long i can expect a toner cartride to last (how many
copies) [oh yea for a laserwriter]. jim
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From: RAYSANDERS (11122)
Subject: RE: LW toner
Date: 3-AUG-11:46: Programming
Jim: According to Apple the life of a toner cartridge is 2,000 to
3,000 pages depending on how heavy the image areas are that you print.
I know for a fact that some people get as much as 5,000. Heres some
handy tips: first, when the indicator turns RED, just take that to
mean get another cartridge to have handy. The RED usually means that
you are about 2/3 thru the cartridge. Just run the sucker out ! After
you have been in RED for a while, keep an eye on quality, especially
the left and right edges. When they start to go, pull and replace with
the new cartridge. An interesting fact is that the indicator mechanism
has a run out area at the end of the RED area. Thats there to keep
from stripping the gears on a long usage. Appearently Canon expected
some people to run them dry. Various people, as I am, are running a
toner cartridge re-charge service. Recharged carts work just fine,
sometimes better the new ones. I know of one guy that recharged a cart
five times and it still works like new. - Ray
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From: MACINTOUCH (11138)
Subject: RE: LW toner
Date: 3-AUG-19:04: Programming
Jim, we typically get 4000 to 5000 copies from a cartridge running
fairly dense text along with some graphics (basically what you get in
MacInTouch). We set the density dial lighter than the middle and it
seems that results are actually better and less toner is wasted as a
bonus. (Check the green cleaner rod to see how much overspill is
being collected.).
Ric
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From: MACINTOUCH (11159)
Subject: RE: LW toner
Date: 4-AUG-00:03: Programming
Ray, I've heard that the photo drum wears out after a while, when recharging
cartridges. Any idea how long it takes?
Ric
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From: OPPENHEIM (11127)
Subject: hardware woes
Date: 3-AUG-12:12: Hardware & Peripherals
Someone restore my faith in computers.
First my hard disk died, then the strap on my carrying case broke, send my Mac
to the pavement. Of course, this only happened as I was leaving for a
month-long working vacation, to be devoted to programming the Mac prefaced with
entering 4000+ lines of info for a statistical project.
I cannot recommend the LoDOWN 20 to anyone at this point. At first I
got a bad sector warning -- in the Desktop file, which subsequently
grew to >4mb. Reformatting the disk (after a laborious back-up
process) I proceeded confidently until a routine reboot on thurs. when
I was presented with a very unhappy looking Mac. Assuming a Mac
problem I tried booting from a floppy -- fine, as long as the drive
was not connected. Another Mac yielded the same results. Reformat
the drive: everything fine, until I attempt to read the last sector.
"I/O Error -36". The drive continues to function until reboot, then
the sad Mac returns. Several calls to LoDOWN later I have their
Diagnostic utility. Running that for 15 hours tells me that I have one
bad track; odd given that the bad track file lists two media errors.
The drive can be formatted, loaded and used, but eventually it dies
again. Tests with another Mac suggest that the problem is in the
drive. Another user I know whose drive died got a replacement that
has never worked at all. Perhaps it was damaged in transit, although
the drive is supposed to withstand 70g. Getting hold of the people at
LoDOWN is not easy, though they are reasonably helpful. I would guess
that they have (many) bugs to work out, and it would be wise not to be
a beta tester, unless one enjoys that kind of thing. The drive is
well made, but the individual components are not reliable (esp. the
controller, an OMTI 3100). LoDOWN told the other user that the
controller in his drive 'had the wrong ROM [old?]' and that the drive
motor had burned out [as a consequence?]. Sigh.
As for the carrying case, I would never depend on the strap for carrying
anything. The metal frame to which the clip is attached is made of cast metal.
It fractured cleanly, suggesting that the metal was crystallized. Only the Mac,
keyboard, mouse and cables were in the case; no unusual load or stress was
applied. The Mac case was cracked and popped apart, the Mac still works. Did
anyone ever say that EVERYTHING has to be backed up -- including hardware?
Much older, somewhat wiser,
-Alex
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From: MOUSEKETEER (11136)
Subject: RE: hardware woes (Re: Msg 11127)
Date: 3-AUG-18:49: Hardware & Peripherals
Dear Alex,
Was the case in use the infamous Apple "maybe-carry" case, or from another
company? Iam looking for a case for my Plus, and the MacTote I've had doesn't
quite hold the newer long keyboard. I don't guess Apple has Plus style cases,
anyway, but would appreciate comments on others.
I don't know what would restore your faith in computers...perhaps the
new *really*portable Mac due out in 87? Maybe it'd help sooth you to
look over the development of the automobile over it's 50+ year
history. The early models were prone to frequent breakdowns, many
dumb designs, inefficient motors, rough rides, etc., while the auto
has now evolved through many years so that...uh.....
Well...
Consider the moose.....
Alf
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From: MACINTOUCH (11139)
Subject: RE: hardware woes (Re: Msg 11136)
Date: 3-AUG-19:12: Hardware & Peripherals
For what it's worth, I bought a MacTote, and received some time later,
free and unrequested, a new strap and new buckles, with a letter
saying that a few people had reported problems similar to yours. I
don't think these are cast metal though.
Hope you had HFS Backup!
Omti controllers are used in other Mac SCSI disks as well.
:-(
Ric
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From: NOFAL (467)
Subject: RE: Mac C for MPW? (Re: Msg 291)
Date: 3-AUG-02:46: Current Discussions
The new TML Linker is great!It creates any resources('PROC,'INIT',FKEY',etc.)
and is what I call a very smart linker.
--Danny
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From: MOUSEKETEER (11129)
Subject: RE: PostScript and the new fonts in the (Re: Msg 11123)
Date: 3-AUG-12:32: Programming
Hi Doug,
Another approach to character definition, if a somewhat pricey one, will be
the next release of Fontographer by Altsys. Current beta releases (and the
upcoming 2.0 release, "mid-August", free to owners) support composite
characters. You can use the built-in LW fonts as a base for customized fonts,
up to making complex logos and such by creating a composite of several simpler
characters. You can choose to reference other characters in the same font to
build the composite character, or reference characters defined in another font.
For anyone needing to customize resident LW fonts, it's a powerful tool.
Note: Altsys has recently moved. Their new address and phone are:
Altsys Corp. 720 Avenue F, Suite 108 Plano, TX 75074. (214) 424-4888
Alf
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From: MACINTOUCH (11144)
Subject: RR 9.4 bug?
Date: 3-AUG-19:29: Bugs & Features
I'm having trouble with Red Ryder freezing on exit if I have a desk accessory
open when I quit. System 3.2/Mac 512Enhanced, no cache/HyperDrive. Anyone
else?
Ric
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************************gib@unirot.UUCP (gib wallis) (08/05/86)
> > From: MOUSEKETEER (11136) > Subject: RE: hardware woes (Re: Msg 11127) > Date: 3-AUG-18:49: Hardware & Peripherals > > > I don't know what would restore your faith in computers...perhaps the > new *really*portable Mac due out in 87? Maybe it'd help sooth you to > look over the development of the automobile over it's 50+ year > history. The early models were prone to frequent breakdowns, many > dumb designs, inefficient motors, rough rides, etc., while the auto > has now evolved through many years so that...uh..... > There are several "new mac" rumors I've heard of, but I've never hear of a "really" portatable mac, only the open mac, the MC68020 mac, the mac's with unix and msdos, etc. There's also been quite a bit of hoopla about the much touted //x series and all new apple // machines, but again, nothing about a "really" portable machine. Is apple planning on releasing a machine that'll beat the IBM Convertable? [how about the Toshiba AT?] gib ..!caip!unirot!gib or gib@unirot.UUCP