cy@killer.UUCP (Cyrus Foughty) (10/14/86)
I don't want much. If the people at Apple are listening, here me now!
The Mac has established itself as a leader in the new generation of
micro computers, pulling together new technology and forging ahead of
the men in blue. The computer I am about to describe is what I call the
"Dream Machine", because it would have what I've dreamed of in a computer.
"Dream Machine"
Specifications
CPU:
Full 32 bit data bus and architecture. (would like the 68030)
Memory addressing greater than eight megabytes.
Clock speed of greater than ten megahertz.
Memory cache with greater than 80% hit rate.
Cpu to memory transfer rate greater than ten megabytes/sec.
Cache memory size greater than 32K.
File Processor:
File processor should consist of a separate microprocessor
to control all file access to the hard disk, floppy disk,
tape drive (cartridge), and SCSI buss.
Serial Communication:
3 standard RS-232 serial ports with DB25 connectors, with
all options under software control, I.E. change baud rate
through software, etc.
Full support of Apple's own network and IBM LAN.
Mass Storage:
Hard disks from 20 megabytes to greater than 100 megabytes
and up to three of each.
Cartridge tape drive capable of storing 60 megabytes or greater. 5.25 and 3.5 inch floppy drives.
Video Display:
greater than or equal to 700 X 400 32 COLOR RGB.
Packaging:
The main unit should contain the motherboard, power supply,
(nothing wrong with a fan on the power supply), 8 expansion
slots, hard and floppy drives, and mouse input jacks as also
serial port jacks, game ports(3), video outputs of RGB,
composite, and rf.
The video display unit should be a separate unit.
Software:
The unit should be able to run all MACINTOSH software.
UNIX V.2 should operate totally on this system and have a
"C" compiler that meets the ATT specifications.
True multi-tasking.
Unix shells should be capable of being started from a window.
Pricing:
The basic configuration should be as follows:
"Dream Machine"
1 Megabyte RAM
3 serial ports
1 parallel port
RGB, composite, and rf outputs
mouse
8 expansion slots
operating system (Apple)
Hi-res RGB monitor
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$2500.00
UNIX V.2 $500
Run-time, development system, and text processing
I know that this is a lot of hardware, but if the Amiga can come as
close as it is to this and still be as inexpensive as it is, why can't
Apple? Concerning UNIX, if ATT weren't so bent on owning the world and
could be reasonable with Apple licensing V.2 or V.3 and maybe make it
just one user per copy per machine the price could be that low.
I WANT my expansion slots and I WANT all the drives in the main box!!!
I WANT HI-RES COLOR GRAPHICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The prices I've quoted is what I would pay for the system. It would be
useful to me. The MAC as it stands is not useful TO ME, to other people
it is, but not me.
Please email your responses to me or additions or ideas.
I want your occupation also as I am going to post the results back
to the net and want to categorize the summary, because different people
need different systems. Be explicit on occupation. No hookers ;-)
cy
{dj3b1,ihnp4}!killer!cy
P.S. If this develops into a hefty report I will send a copy to Apple, along
with how many people had input. They have been know to listen before!!!!!!!!corwin@hope.UUCP (John Kempf) (10/16/86)
> I don't want much. If the people at Apple are listening, here me now! > The Mac has established itself as a leader in the new generation of > micro computers, pulling together new technology and forging ahead of > the men in blue. The computer I am about to describe is what I call the > "Dream Machine", because it would have what I've dreamed of in a computer. You can keep dreaming. From what I have experienced, and from what I have heard from some (former) apple developers, They couldn't care less. Sure, apple is on the net. Anyone ever got them to say anything? Anyone ever tried to talk to apple in the recent past? They seem to be trying to pretend that they are IBM (We are a BIG corperation. We don't need people anymore). The Mac has been out for several years. I sell the beasties. I know what it needs. The customers all ask me for the same things (Colour, bigger screen, faster processor etc.) All I can do is change the subject. If it sounds like I am trying to bait apple, yes, I am. I also realize that I am wasting my breath. Now, if the Amiga would just clean up their text... -- -cory /* */ (no comment) VOICE: (714) 788 0709 UUCP: {ucbvax!ucdavis,sdcsvax,ucivax}!ucrmath!hope!corwin ARPA: ucrmath!hope!corwin@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu USNAIL: 3637 Canyon Crest apt G302 Riverside Ca. 92507
DMB@PSUVMA.BITNET (10/16/86)
For your basic configuration, try a price tag of about $4500, and maybe
they'll talk.
davefeldy@chiron.cs.ucla.edu (Bob Felderman) (10/16/86)
In article <783@hope.UUCP> corwin@hope.UUCP (John Kempf) writes: >You can keep dreaming. From what I have experienced, and from >what I have heard from some (former) apple developers, They >couldn't care less. > >Sure, apple is on the net. Anyone ever got them to say anything? >Anyone ever tried to talk to apple in the recent past? I have found "apple" to be very responsive. In particular Larry Rosenstein <lsr@apple.csnet> has been great. He's answered every question I have asked, and he has done it promptly. Not everyone at apple could "care less". Bob Felderman 3732L Boelter Hall feldy@ats.ucla.edu University of California ...!{trwspp,sdcrdcf,ihnp4,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!feldy Los Angeles, CA 90024 (213) 825-2841
dillon@CORY.BERKELEY.EDU (Matt Dillon) (10/16/86)
Hell, IBM has had RISC technology for a decade but it's only gotten marketed recently with the IBM RT. and when it finally *did* come out it wasn't anything big... simply 'on par'. -Matt
north@apple.UUCP (Donald N. North) (10/17/86)
In article <2152@curly.ucla-cs.ARPA> feldy@chiron.UUCP (Bob Felderman) writes: >In article <783@hope.UUCP> corwin@hope.UUCP (John Kempf) writes: > >>You can keep dreaming. From what I have experienced, and from >>what I have heard from some (former) apple developers, They >>couldn't care less. >> >>Sure, apple is on the net. Anyone ever got them to say anything? >>Anyone ever tried to talk to apple in the recent past? > >I have found "apple" to be very responsive. In particular Larry Rosenstein ><lsr@apple.csnet> has been great. He's answered every question I have asked, >and he has done it promptly. > > Not everyone at apple could "care less". > There is a fairly large contingent of people here at Apple that are regular readers of the various newsgroups, especially those concerned with Apple products. We try to answer, when appropriate, *technical* questions about *officially announced* Apple products. Larry Rosenstein has been one of the more notable examples of providing accurate technical information. As a rule, we WILL NOT acknowledge, confirm, deny, or otherwise comment on any unannounced Apple products, rumored or otherwise. So don't expect any postings EVEN COMMENTING on any rumors that are floating around the net. We do listen to feedback concerning our products, and will answer questions when we have the time (and know the answer!). However, all of us that regularly listen in on USENET do have other jobs - we aren't dedicated technical support people who do nothing except answer questions concerning our products. The Apple Technical Support Group does this on the telephone full time; it's their job. (BTW, we here don't always know the exact answer to a lot of the questions that float by; some take a fair amount of research to track down - which we don't usually have the time to do). But we do care. As a side note, our VAX/UNIX news software was 'broken' for a long period of time in that postings to the net would seem to go out, but really didn't. This was one major reason why we were apparently so quiet for a while. Our CSNET connection is also again working (after a machine swap). I hope this (not so) little explanation confirms that we here at Apple do care what you people think about our products. Keep those cards and letters comin' in! Donald North Apple Computer, Inc. Advanced Development Group UUCP: {nsc,dual,sun,voder,ucbvax!mtxinu}!apple!north CSNET: north@apple.CSNET, north%apple@CSNET-RELAY -- Donald North Apple Computer, Inc. Advanced Development Group UUCP: {nsc,dual,idi,voder,ucbvax!mtxinu}!apple!north CSNET: north@apple.CSNET, north%apple@CSNET-RELAY
abulloch@violet.berkeley.edu (/violet_p/abulloch) (10/23/86)
In article <783@hope.UUCP> corwin@hope.UUCP (John Kempf) writes: >> I don't want much. If the people at Apple are listening, here me now! >> The Mac has established itself as a leader in the new generation of >> micro computers, pulling together new technology and forging ahead of >> the men in blue. The computer I am about to describe is what I call the >> "Dream Machine", because it would have what I've dreamed of in a computer. > >You can keep dreaming. From what I have experienced, and from >what I have heard from some (former) apple developers, They >couldn't care less. > >Sure, apple is on the net. Anyone ever got them to say anything? > >If it sounds like I am trying to bait apple, yes, I am. I also >realize that I am wasting my breath. Now, if the Amiga would >just clean up their text... >-- >-cory > This does sound rather like the 'I hate everybody' syndrome (no-one's any good: IBM, Apple, Amiga....). Well, from what I have seen this is incorrect and ill-mannered as regards Apple. They are not just 'on the net', they contribute a lot. Yes, I have seen them answer a lot of individual queries, and promptly and fully too. Look at the addresses of the contributors: there are several Apple people who post here regularly, under their own names (of course). In particular Larry Rosenstein contributes a great deal. And you will find Apple people on several other networks and BBSs too (e.g. GEnie, or the splendid MacQ in San Francisco, for example). Have _you_ ever spent a lot of regular time answering queries from the public? If you have you will know that it is very demanding, and people such as Larry Rosenstein seem to me to perform this task with considerable graciousness and generosity. Maybe they just don't comment on other people's dreams very much........ Anthony Bulloch Department of Classics Dwinelle Hall Univ. of California Berkeley Ca.94720 Tel.: (415)-642-4218/4001 GEnie: a.bulloch MacQ BBS:(415)-661-7374 [Fidonet125/2] BITNET: abulloch@ucbviole.BITNET
scottp@apple.UUCP (Scott Phillips) (11/07/86)
<Assorted verbiage about how people at Apple don't care or wont care> ".............................. Maybe they just don't comment on other > people's dreams very much........" > > Anthony Bulloch > Department of Classics > Dwinelle Hall > Univ. of California > Berkeley > Ca.94720 > Tel.: (415)-642-4218/4001 > > GEnie: a.bulloch > MacQ BBS:(415)-661-7374 [Fidonet125/2] > BITNET: abulloch@ucbviole.BITNET Amen, Anthony! You may cross the gates of Macintosh Valhalla when you expire. Scott Phillips Systems Software Apple Computer, Inc. apple!scottp