[net.misc] "Re: Cosmos A-Bomb"

wapd (01/20/83)

	Another non-atom-bomb way to use radioactive material is
to simply disperse it using a regular (conventional, TNT, whatever)
bomb.  I believe that a threat of this kind was received a few years
ago by police in a large northeastern city (my memory says Boston,
but who knows ?).  The threat was :  "I have stolen 10 pounds of
uranium, a few grams at a time, from a power plant.  If I am not
given XXX dollars, I will attach it to 100 pounds of dynamite and
blow it up in the middle of Boston (?)".

	This is essentially equivalent to the "poison" approach,
but requires even less subtlety.  Dynamite is apparently easy
enough to come by, and the radioactive material could be ore
or waste or low-grade processed material.

				Bill Dietrich
				houxj!wapd

soreff (01/21/83)

There is no need for terrorists to handle radioactives if they merely want
to poison a city. Nickel carbonyl [Ni(CO)4] for instance, is exceedingly
poisonous, can be easily made by the ton if need be, is volatile and easily
dispersed, and does not irradiate the would be terrorist, unlike radioactives.
		-Jeffrey Soreff (hplabsb!soreff)

bcw (01/22/83)

From:	Bruce C. Wright @ Duke University
Re:	Cosmos A-Bomb

Whether radioactive substances can be used by terrorists actually has very
little to do with how easy such substances are to disperse and so forth.
A great many people in this country (and probably elsewhere) are sufficiently
disturbed by the "radioactive" label that that alone would be sufficient for
widespread panic, which is of course what the terrorist is aiming at anyway...

			Bruce C. Wright @ Duke University

jfw (01/22/83)

Re: the poisonosity of plutonium.

It is entirely unnecessary for it to be "poisonous" for it to have
effect.

Consider the mass hysteria when it is announced that there is
radioactive plutonium in the city water supply.  There are relatively
few people informed enough to understand that such a low concentration
is probably utterly without harm, and most of the rest have been scared
by hysteria salesmen who wish to make their name through radiation-mania.
Indeed, the denials by experts that there would be noticable danger
would be taken by many as "proof" that there is critical danger.

Someone desiring to extort money could quite easily dribble a small
solution of Uranium Oxide* on the concrete next to the water
reservoir, and announce that if $M is not paid in DELTA-T, another few
gallons will be dumped into the supply.

*Drop Uranium into water.  It is about as reactive as sodium, and will
replace the hydrogen in water, thus skittering about the surface of the
water in a flaming jet until it is used up.  Fun to watch, at least with
sodium.

John Woods, ...!genradbo!mitccc!jfw

leichter (01/22/83)

As several people have pointed out, the use of the word "radioactive" would
probably be enough to cause a panic if a terrorist group claimed to have added
such material to a water supply, for example.

This is true, and it's exactly because of such unreasoning reactions that it's
important to look at the reality.  People have become so irrational on this
subject that they are ready for panics - or witchhunts.  Consider that radio-
active materials OTHER than those useful for making bombs are actually quite
easily available.  For example, Cobalt-60 is widely used as a gamma-ray source
in industry & medicine.  Any terrorist group that wished could easily steall
\\\steal it in large quantities.  As a powerful gamma-ray emitter, it would
actually be much more dangerous than some uranium or even plutonium.

Given this inevitable vulnerability, it's essential that we try to explain
to people who haven't looked at it what the actual dangers actually are and
are not, and where our safety comes from, such as it is.

							-- Jerry
						decvax!yale-comix!leichter

sjb (01/23/83)

Dropping alkali metals into water should not be taken so lightly.
A couple years ago around here, a couple kids stole 1 or 2 pounds
of potassium from the chemistry lab in school and threw it into
a local creek while still in the jar (with lid open though) --
the resultant explosion killed both of them.

mmt (01/24/83)

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From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhtsa!alice!sjb
Dropping alkali metals into water should not be taken so lightly.
A couple years ago around here, a couple kids stole 1 or 2 pounds
of potassium from the chemistry lab in school and threw it into
a local creek while still in the jar (with lid open though) --
the resultant explosion killed both of them.
---------------------------------

It's not surprising that the explosion killed the kids if they
were still in the jar.

But seriously, folks, this alkali metals in water business should indeed
not be treated lightly. When I was a kid, my father usually celebrated
the visits of a special but rarely seen friend with what he called
"The sodium ceremony". The two of them would don cloaks and other
mysterioso gear, prepare a bucket full of warm water and soak
the lawn with water. They would take what memory says must have
been about 100g of metallic sodium, wrap it with a sheet of
potassium, and throw it in the bucket, ensuring everyone else
was WELL clear. At first, nothing would happen, then there would
be the purple potassium glow (I guess the delay was because both
the potassium and the sodium were kept under oil). The ball would
skitter around, popping a bit, on the water, with at first the
purple flame and then the yellow sodium flame. After an indeterminate
time, the whole thing would explode in a big sodium-yellow flare,
sending bits all over the lawn (maybe a 10-meter diameter), where
they sparkled as they hit the wet grass. Afterwards, the lawn
was thoroughly soaked, and there were always more unexploded bits
of sodium to sparkle. It never seemed to do the grass any harm, though.
(I should have added that the ceremony was always at night,
preferably moonless, and all the house lights were turned out.)

I hate to think what 1 kilo of potassium in a jar would do.
A kilo unconfined would probably do no more harm than a pile
of gunpowder. Potassium is so reactive that it seems to have
a sort of Leidenfrost (?) effect, keeping a shell of (?) steam
between itself and the water. Sodium, on the other hand, goes BANG.
In the ceremony, I think the potassium wrapping served to heat
the sodium before the water got to it.

		Martin Taylor

sjb (01/25/83)

I wouldn't want to walk barefoot on the lawn after that!

ost (01/26/83)

   For those interested in the use of radioactive material as a poison,
Robert Heinlein published a pre-WWII story with that theme entitled
Solution Unsatisfactory.  It is contained in THE WORLDS OF ROBERT A. HEINLEIN.

			Neil Ostrove	cbosgd!ost