[net.misc] ESP DE-programming

jj (02/16/83)

	This should be in net.flame, but I guess I'll leave it
in net.misc where the rest of this discussion abides.

	I have known about 15 people who have taken EST.
They are roughly separable into two groups:
	1)  The group of those who were not self-assertive.
	2)  The group of those who were VERY self-assertive.

	My own observation is that group 1, for the most part,
after recovering from the psychological trauma (unfortunately,
two people did NOT recover), benefitted from the 'training'.
	Group 2, on the other hand, showed a strong tendency to
become overly agressive, self-confident, and VERY disparaging of
those who did NOT exhibit these tendencies.  I (unwillingly and unwittingly)
'deprogrammed' several of these people when they tried to run me
over.

	I have taken self-assertiveness courses myself.
(For the record, I tend to be overly shy until I have reached
the point of loosing my temper)  My experience is that those
courses which teach REASONED self-assertiveness are those which
have the most beneficial effects.

	From what those who took the training have told me, the
EST method consists of bullying the participants into asserting
themselves. (and sometimes becoming bullies?? question, not statement!)
While some people, including myself, are generally very shy and
loath to attempt to influence others' perceptions of the world through
emotional or intimidating tactics, a large number of these same people have
developed strong methods for dealing with bullies(due to a superfluity
of data on bullying techniques), and thus would not have the 'correct' 
reaction to the techniques used in EST.

	I must emphasize that my impressions are strictly on a second
hand basis, with about 15 <never to be named> dati, and thus may
not represent the usual (or current) results or representations of
EST.

	While I welcome reasoned opinions and discussion (by mail,
please) I must point out (complain, perhaps none to subtly) that
mail discussions consisting of unreasoned assertion or emotional
manipulation will be rudely rejected, and continued examples of
such will be returned to the source system's root user.
	
	Cautiously,
	rabbit!jj