info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (07/19/84)
From: KSPROUL@RUTGERS.ARPA Somebody else asked about fonts for the macintosh.. I too am intersted in different fonts for the mac... I have the following fonts... these include a bunch of wierd ones that I dont know where came from... If anybody has any not listed, please let me know, and then if there is enough interest, I will repost the entire list... athens 18 bubles 14 24 cairo 18 chicago 12 cirth 48 east orange 20 eon 12 18 future 9 10 12 18 20 24 geneva 9 10 12 14 18 20 24 ham 14 hollywood 12 24 lineal 18 london 18 los angeles 12 24 monaco 9 10 12 music 9 10 12 24 new york 9 10 12 14 18 20 24 36 72 rangers 72 84 (this crashed the system) runes ? (same as elvish below i think...) san francisco 18 seattle 10 20 toronto 9 12 14 18 24 venice 14 also, I have in files created from the font editor Geneva 16 greek millenna elvish I also want to know how to get files from the font-editor format into the system because I want to work on creating a bunch of other fonts.. thanks much Keith Sproul Ksproul@Rutgers.arpa -------
info-mac@uw-beaver.UUCP (07/27/84)
From: KSPROUL@RUTGERS.ARPA Thanks to everybody that responded to my questions about how to do font transfers between different files and the font-editor. I got all (most) of my problems solved and now am a fair 'expert' on the fonts for the mac.. I will explain what was involved latter in this msg... In messing around with the fonts I found something that could lead to som SERIOUS problems to anyone wanting to use a lot of different fonts for different things... The first problem is that I could NOT get a font with a 'FONT-NUMBER' of 384 thru 511 to work, These are the 'user font numbers' as stated in INSIDE MAC, Font Manager Page 24, But I was able to use anything in the 64-128 range very easily.. The serious problem is that unless someone tries to coordinate this mess, everyone that does their own fancy font will choose the EXACT SAME NUMBER (See Murphy's Laws for proof)... And the probability goes up with complexity and usefulness of the particular font.. The problem I had with not being able to copy the different fonts back and forth was this exact problem, the person who created them, gave them all the SAME font number, which happend to be the same number as Los Angeles (12).. The place where this is really going to goof up is that several people have already requested the fonts that I had mentioned before and some were going to try and send me some fonts that they had. Now if the ones they have and the ones I have both have the same number, we both have to go into RMOVER (Resource Mover) and change the numbers around. Now since there area a bunch of fonts out there already, I will be doing this with all of the fonts that get sent to me, and then re-distributing them with all different numbers. I propose that someone (I will voluntere) try to keep track of assigning numbers to different types of fonts. i.e. MUSIC gets number XX and ELVISH type fonts gets number YY, an number range X-Z for font type Q since it is such a popular font, etc... Even though this will NOT solve all of the problems, it will attempt to make a little sense out of the disaster and we will have a little bit of standards to go by.. If anybody has any comments pro or con (especially some from apple or somebody close to apple or anybody that knows what, if anything apple is trying to about this problem.) please let me know.. Now for what I am doing.. I have been interested in messing with fonts for aprox 7 years, and have had the NBS fonts on my computer for most of that time, even though I never did much with them... I did get them displayed on my graphics screen... I am now also interested in putting such charcter sets as Japanse Katkana (sp) and Korean onto the mac. My mother-in-law is Japanese, and she is going to help with that part of it.. I also have a friend who is interested in getting Hebrew onto the mac.. I am also the local Macintosh group coordinator and librarian, so I also want to have all of the fonts for the who ever wants to get access to them. (I am also going try to go to the NYC Mac Users Group) So I am also volunteering to try to keep all of the available fonts together in one place so that people wont have to re-invent the wheel every time they want a different font, espcially the hard to do fonts such as the oriental fonts and hebrew (PS: I already have a decent hebrew on a different system that I will be attempting to convert over sometime in the next few months) Now for the problems and soulutions to the font mess... the problems I were having made the font-mover seem like it didnt work I would create a FONTS file using the font-mover, since it only understood files that it created, and then I would go into the font-editor and INSTALL a font into the font file... so far so good... Then I would move it to the system file, because I was going to later move it to a DIFFERENT font file on a different disk... that also worked MOST of the time. But when I moved more than one file at a time into the FONTS file using the font-editor, only the last one was ever around, this is why I thought it didnt work... SOOOOO what you have to do, is after EACH time you move a file into the font file, is go into RMOVER and make sure the font number is something DIFFERENT from the rest of the numbers in the list!!! and then you have to calculate a new number using the formula font-number * 9 for the resource that has the name and font-number * 9 + point-size fort the resource that has the data THEN AND ONLY THEN can you move it into the system file, or where ever else you want to put it... Now If you have ever gone back and forth between these different programs even a half dozen times in one sitting, you will understand my concerns about trying to coordinate the font numbers... Anybody with comments, (Pro or Con) PLEASE send them to me, and will summerize back to the net... For the people that want the fonts that I already have, I will be getting a bunch more withing the next month, and when I have a fairly full disk, I will send them to anyone that sends me either money for a disk and postage ($7) a blank disk and postage or prefereably a disk with your fonts on it. (plus postage) Postage should be under $2 including a decent mailer.. Anybody seen any 3 1/2" disk mailers yet???, if not, I will use 5" mailers... I expect this disk to be quite full by the time I get it sent out since I alread have approx 200K worth of font stuff.. If anybody knows how and wants to upload this stuff to the net, send me a msg. I am not to sure how to do it since I am on a DEC-20 and not a UNIX VAX... (text files, I can do, but not binary) Remember, if you send a disk or money, it will be ATLEAST 2 weeks before I get all of the files that I currently know about, so it will be at around a month before I get them in the mail... If you have a pressing need for a specific font, send me E-mail, and I will try and help you quicker.. Keith Sproul Ksproul@Rutgers.arpa Keith Sproul 698 Magnolia Road North Brunswick, NJ 08902 -------
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (08/07/84)
From PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Mon Aug 6 16:33:24 1984 I am getting my font sets together and will be sending them out to those that have requested them (sent me a disk or money for one) I will also send a disk to someone to put it on the net if that is desired, but I doubt it because the stuff is already in excess of 250K If anybody has any fonts that they did or that arn't the standard fonts, PLEASE let me know ASAP so if I don't have that one, I can get it before I send this disk out.. (I dont want to have to do updates too often) Keith Sproul Ksproul@Rutgers.arpa -------