info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (07/06/84)
From: KSPROUL@RUTGERS.ARPA I have been using the alpa version of MacTerminal for awhile and like it.. Does anybody know of a graphics terminal emulator for the MAC, rummored, announced, on-the-back-burner, etc... I am desperately in need of such a beast, DEC VT-125 preferably, 4010 acceptable.. any pointers would be greatly appreciated.... Keith Sproul Ksproul@Rutgers.arpa -------
info-mac@uw-beaver (07/06/84)
From: KSPROUL@RUTGERS.ARPA I have not seen any discusion about MacTerminal on the net, does anyone have a pre-release copy of it? when is it goint to actully get to the stores?? I have it ordered, and will get it as soon as comes in, also, I got to see a pre-release or something from a student in the consortium, but have been suprized that there has been no discussion about MacTerminal on the net... Keith Sproul Ksproul@Rutgers.arpa -------
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (07/06/84)
From: ihnp4!ihuxa!kron@uw-beaver.arpa There was a Microsoft BASIC Tektronix 4010 emulator posted to the net some time ago. I saved the source, but I have never run it because I do not have a Macintosh. It does not run faster than 300 baud, according to the comments in the net article. If you are interested, contact me by electronic mail.
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (07/07/84)
From: Tim McNerney <TIM@MIT-MC> To MacTerminal beta test sites: Has anyone experimented with reconfiguring MacTerminal's keyboard? In particular, how painful is it to make "Delete" (or "Rubout" if you prefer) an unshifted character? Backspace is fine for UNIX, but most DEC operating system use Delete to erase the last typed character. This is probably significant enugh to warrant making it a setup option. Also, a couple of subtle but rather serious bugs were reported just recently about "Set Origin Mode" not homing the cursor, and "Set Margins" homing to the wrong place. I believe these bugs are also present in the released version of LisaTerm. It would be a pity if they released a buggy MacTerminal too. Has Apple comfirmed the existence of these bugs?
info-mac@uw-beaver.UUCP (07/12/84)
From: David H M Spector <SPECTOR@NYU-CMCL1.ARPA> Last night, 7/10, at the New York Mac User's Group Meeting, a rep. from Computer Marketing Research (Apple's East Coast Rep) announced that MacTerminal was ""officially"" released on the 9th and was being shipped today (7/11), and that it should hit the shelves in a couple of days... Dave Spector -------
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (07/29/84)
From: Andrew Sweer <SWEER@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> MacTerminal Beta Version 0.5X of July 12, 1984 still has a problem with the VT100 Set and Reset Mode commands. According to the documentation, "The cursor is moved to the new home position when this mode is set or reset." In the MacTerminal emulation, it leaves the cursor where is was. The specific commands in question are: SET ESC [?6h (Relative) RESET ESC [?6l (Absolute) The lack of this side effect causes serious other side effects in higher level applications. Editorially speaking, it would be a shame if this small problem in an otherwise excellent program were not corrected prior to wider release/distribution. Andy -------
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (08/13/84)
From: mclure@Sri-Unix.arpa I am very disappointed with MacTerminal and its VT100 emulation. The version I have does not support any ins/del char functions or any ins/del line functions. This makes it next to useless or very aggravating at best for 1200 baud dialups where those functions are mandatory. Does anyone know if the developers have plans to add these functions? I presume it can all be simulated in the underlying software even though the screen is bit-mapped. Stuart
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (08/15/84)
From: KSPROUL@RUTGERS.ARPA Which version of MacTerminal are you using?? I have used MacTerm .5x on both a DEC-20 using EMACS and a VAX running VMS and RS1 have had absolutely no problems at all!! But then I have not given it a full testing, but what I have done works GREAT and I think MacTerminal is really super.. Keith Sproul Ksproul@Rutgers.arpa -------
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (08/15/84)
From: olson@harvard.ARPA (Eric Olson) VT100s do insert and delete line by defining a scrolling region on the screen and either scrolling up or down (example: region 10 to 24; scroll down results in open line at 10 and lost line at bottom). On UNIX, termcap (terminal capabilities stuff) can have an entry for VT100-like scrolling regions (a subset of an ANSI standard) and editors may choose to use them. Insert character and delete character can be done with a line rewrite, which is slow but not too annoying at 1200 baud.
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (08/20/84)
From: mclure@sri-prism There seems to be a big problem with the latest Beta version of Macterminal. Has anyone else tried using it with Rogue? It doesn't work very well, sending incorrect escape sequences, spurious characters, and generally messing Rogue up. I just switched over from MacTerminal alpha -0.20 to beta .50x. It worked correctly with the former. Neither our termcap nor rogue itself was changed in the interim. There are serious problems with Macterminal Beta.50x. Also someone mentioned that this version of Macterminal would be able to send the correct cursor addressing codes via the mouse to the remote host. I don't see any capability like that. Could someone please elaborate? Stuart From Berkeley termcap 1.22 d0|z29|vt100|vt100-am|vt100|dec vt100:\ :cr=^M:do=^J:nl=^J:bl=^G:co#80:li#24:cl=50\E[;H\E[2J:\ :le=^H:bs:am:cm=5\E[%i%d;%dH:nd=2\E[C:up=2\E[A:\ :ce=3\E[K:cd=50\E[J:so=2\E[7m:se=2\E[m:us=2\E[4m:ue=2\E[m:\ :md=2\E[1m:mr=2\E[7m:mb=2\E[5m:me=2\E[m:is=\E[1;24r\E[24;1H:\ :rs=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :rf=/usr/lib/tabset/vt100:ku=\EOA:kd=\EOB:kr=\EOC:kl=\EOD:kb=^H:\ :ho=\E[H:k1=\EOP:k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:ta=^I:pt:sr=5\EM:vt#3:xn:\ :sc=\E7:rc=\E8:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (09/05/84)
From: DBECK@SRI-KL.ARPA Does anyone know if Apple Modem uses more than a three wire connection? I am using the "game-paddle to DB25" fix to connect my U.S. Robotics Password and outgoing is fine, auto-dial and all. Call in is not working possibly due to missing a wire for "ring" or somthing. I would like to apologize to Apple for the negative comment on XMODEM in MacTerminal. Used as it is intended - Mac to Mac - it performs well and permits transfer of all classes of document tried, MacWrite, MacPaint and Resource. Doug Beck dbeck@sri-kl.arpa -------
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (10/17/84)
From: John Foderaro (on a vt100) <jkf@ucbmike> A vt100 would be a much better terminal at low baud rates if it had insert character capability. Does anyone know if Apple has added such a capability to their vt100 emulation in MacTerminal? I saw the official MacTerminal document for a short period today and I could find no mention of what escape sequences are accepted in vt100 mode.
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (10/26/84)
From: DEUFEL@DEC-MARLBORO Has anyone noted that MacTerminal apparently doesn't pay attention to the "LOCKED" attribute of a file? If I set the "LOCKED" flag in a file information window, I would expect that this file would not be modifiable. However, it appears that If I set up and save a document with Macterminal settings custom taylored for me, double clicking the file launches MacTerminal, and MacTerminal actually writes into the LOCKED file!!! Doesn't the Mac OS prevent the writing to a LOCKED file??? Cheers, -Abdul- --------
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (11/07/84)
From: decvax!dartvax!crs@uw-beaver.arpa (Carl Spitzer)
I refer you to Inside Mac, File Manager p. 10:
>Your application can lock a file to prevent unauthorized writing to it.
>Locking the file insures that none of the information can be changed ***
>Currently, the Finder won't let you rename or delete a locked file, but
>it will let you change the data the file contains ***.
This means (I assume, since they refer to the Finder but not OS File Manager
routines) that MacTerminal can change any locked file with abandon. So much
for the power of the software lock!
Cheers,
Carl Spitzerinfo-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (11/28/84)
From: KSPROUL@RUTGERS.ARPA This is an open letter to Apple and/or any other hardware companies... We are using the MAC and MacTerminal (above 20 macs at the moment) as terminals into a VAX... (The Macs also get used for other things too).. But the BIG complaint is that the Mac Keyboard is too small!! for use as a vt-100 emulator,,, MacTerminal is Very good.. But not quite good enough... Apple needs to do something different for the PF keys of the VT-100 such as make them option-? keys on the numeric pad.. Another suggestion (which I would do if I had the money to do it) is for someone to make a replacement keyboard for the Mac that had the normal keyboard AND the numeric keypad built into the same package and ALSO (maybe) some other keys to make it possible to be a better terminal emulato... If this became a reality, I would write a purchase order for a few sight unseen, and probably by a dozen after I got the first few in the door.. Another suggestion for mac programmers is to come out with a GOOD VT-125 emulator, Yes I know the VT-125 is NOT the greatest graphics terminal on the market, BUT it is well supported and versitle.. I do have Tekalike and Griffin terminal (Both 4010 emulators) and both are reasonable, BUT both emulate a VECTOR screen, NOT a raster terminal... If anybody knows of any other graphics terminal emulators either existing or being developed, PLEASE let me know... Keith Sproul Ksproul@Rutgers.arpa -------
info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) (11/30/84)
From: Christopher A Kent <cak@Purdue.ARPA> On the other hand, there are those of us who are really pleased that a manufacturer has the guts to buck the "everything you could want plus the kitchen sink on the keyboard" style keyboard, and gave us just the basics in the Mac; a keyboard that is just two hands wide, with no excess baggage. The only thing wrong with the Mac's keyboard is that the caps lock key is a physically locking key; this means, as we all know, that you can't use it for a control key, as it should be. It is so refreshing to use the Mac's keyboard after dealing with the monstrosities that DEC (and other companies) are hawking now (see the keyboard on the VT2?? series of terminals or the VaxStation for examples of what I mean). "Real men don't use function keys when editing." They touch type and want to keep their keys on the home row. (They also want a mouse with more than one button, but that's a different story...:-) Cheers, chris ----------