[net.sci] Hitler: Why we need a Science of Mo

janw@inmet.UUCP (05/10/86)

[ -Barry Shein, Boston University]
>Re: Would logic have prevented the rise of Nazism?

>Although I must admit I am not acting at a terribly high intellectual
>level, somehow I find this claim astounding and completely denying
>how, in many ways, I heretofore have considered Nazism.

>I thought a common thesis was that Hitler utilized modern science (or
>an appearance of the same) to a technologically entranced German
>people to justify his social engineering.

>[examples of Nazi pseudo-science ]

Well, isn't this just the point: people who believe all kinds  of
mumbo-jumbo  because it sounds scientific, or because experts say
so, are not using their reasoning capabilities (including logic).

Science-worship and expert-worship are just  as  unreasonable  as
any  cult.  Logical people are likely to notice that experts con-
tradict each other and their pronouncements change with time.  An
inescapable  conclusion  is that experts are apt to be wrong.  In
some fields, experts are *usually* wrong.  A  common-sense  (i.e.
logical) peasant often understands this better than a brainwashed
educated parrot.

>I THOUGHT THE POINT WAS HITLER'S NAZI GERMANY WAS PRECISELY SCIENCE
>			      GONE MAD.

Quite. Along with other things gone mad. In particular, gone illogical.
In every Nazi pseudo-scientfic myth, a lay logical person could
easily punch holes the size of Nuremberg. Those that did not
punch them, failed to use their logic because they wanted to believe. 

>You know, those cold, logical germans, ...

 ... and they are another myth ...

> ... killing off the impure blood,
>doing their secret weapons and other war research etc.

Whereas it was crystal clear that there is no such thing as  pure
German  (or  Jewish)  blood,  that the secret weapons were mostly
Goebbels's lies, that the war was unwinnable, that there  was  no
truth in the newspapers, and that even the leaders were lied to.

The logical Germans saw through the lies and fled or lay low.
The  illogical  ones  were  whipped into frenzy by the songs, the
marches, the rallies, the slogans; by the warm feeling of togeth-
erness and belonging - till they were ready to kill and die.

>Now, I suppose one could argue that the point is that logic is abused
>throughout and the problem was that people were fooled by simple
>logical prestidigitation, but somehow I feel if that is the argument
>it is a poorly put argument, there is something more important going
>on (like that people will believe what they want to believe, mass
>hysteria etc.)

Sure: mass hysteria and wishful thinking. These things don't  mix
with  logic.  Therefore,  with  more  logic in German population,
there would have been less mass hysteria  and  wishful  thinking,
ergo less possibility for Nazism, QED. Of course the same could
be said of many other factors: e.g., higher employment would have
helped or a traditional respect for democracy. 

>No, I don't think it's logic that would save humanity, it's humanity
>recognizing humanity, unless that also is logic.

It could be if it were less vague. How does humanity "recognize humanity" ?

			Jan Wasilewsky