[net.sci] Chicken Little and his Science

janw@inmet.UUCP (09/06/86)

>[carnes@gargoyle.UUCP ]
>[Jan Wasilewsky]
>>All these were widely predicted in the 60's for the 70's and the
>>80's [and did not come to pass].

>Again I would ask Jan to cite chapter and verse, explain what was
>predicted and what actually happened, and explain why some mistaken
>predictions invalidate all such predictions.

O.K. :

 "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970's the world
 will undergo famines - hundreds of millions of people are going
 to starve to death in spite of any crash programme embarked upon 
 now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase
 in the world death rate"

  Dr. Paul H. Ehrlich in *The Population Bomb*,
  quoted (with approval) in "The Hunger to Come" by John Laffin,
  Abelard-Schuman, London, New York, Toronto, 1971, p.20.

The seventies have come and gone. There have been famines -
local ones, like in Cambodia, due precisely to "crash programs"
launched by some governments. Hundreds of millions have *not*
died, and the world as a whole was fed *better* than before.
And the world death rate kept *falling*. 

The foolish prediction was not long-term, it was made on the very
threshold of the 70's. Nor was Ehrlich a maverick.

You ask why this should invalidate newer predictions. Suppose you
drank  from  a pool and were poisoned. Before drinking again from
the same pool, you would require a drastic  cleaning  and  *test-
ing*.  Same  with  the  predictions  of Dr. Ehrlich and the whole
academic pool of soft-core sciences he represents.
These sciences have yet to earn their spurs in prediction-making.
Meteorologists  can  only  predict  a  few  days  ahead, and that
without certainty - but they don't *claim* more. Ehrlich  &  Co.,
unfortunately, do. 

The problem is not that people make mistakes in predictions.  The
problem  is that the same people, and their disciples, don't even
wipe the mud off their faces, but continue making similar  pred-
ictions, using similar methods, and wrapping  themselves  in  the
mantle of "science".

As *science fiction* this would be unobjectionable.  Science fic-
tion  scenarios of the future are useful thought experiments.  But
before one *acts* on the basis of  these  scenarios,  one  should
consider  other, equally unscientific, but equally possible, maps
of the future.

>>The above is full of "potential", "could" and "would".  One could
>>just  as  easily  draw  a scenario in which too *few* people would
>>prove perilous. E.g., a new virus  killing  off  everyone  but
>>bearers  of  a  rare  immunity  trait.  The more people, the more
>>chance that a viable remnant survives.

>But the more people, the greater the chance of a virulent pandemic in
>the first place.  The high population density, unsanitary conditions,
>malnutrition (which reduces resistance to disease), and ecosystem
>degradation associated with overpopulation provide a fertile medium
>for the spread of infectious diseases.  

The more people, the greater chance of infection - true as far as
it goes - i.e., other things being equal. But they aren't,
and they far outweigh mere numbers. 
The Black Death killed off a third of European population
in the middle of the 14th Century, and recurring epidemics of the
next 100 years  decreased population by half again. 

Nothing like that has happened since, in spite  (or  because)  of
enormous  increase  in  density:  tenfold compared to the pre-
plague times, thirty or more times compared to the 15th century.

As for the other negatives like antisanitary conditions and  mal-
nutrition  -  making them a monotonic function of population begs
the question. Again, Europe is more sanitary now than in the 13th
Century; and it was *less* sanitary in the 15th century - after a
drastic fall in density - than it was in the populous 13th.

Had Europe controlled its population in the great  growth  period
of  9th to 13th centuries, it would not have mollified the plague
- but it would have left post-plague Europe  depopulated  to  the
extent that its civilization might have been unable to rebound.

As for the ecosystem:  yes,  wolves  and  bears  don't  roam  the
suburbs  of London as they undoubtedly did once. Even the deer of
Sherwood forest are gone, through the exploits of Robin Hood  and
his successors. This does not seem to "provide a fertile medium
for infectious diseases". Ecosystems *change*. Fewer deer, more
horses; fewer horses, more ponies, canaries and guinea pigs.

There is no reason whatever to think that human-caused  changes
are somehow less legitimate or more harmful than others. Change
works *against* many infections, as the infectious agent may fail
to adapt to the new environment.

The ecosystem of Europe may be the poorer by the loss of the Ano-
pheles  mosquito;  but  people don't get malaria.  In areas where
the 60 cute species of this valuable genus  are  not  endangered,
100  million people catch malaria every year, 1 million die of it.

>Our ancestors survived for millions of years (which  saw  extreme
>climatic changes) at population levels far lower than the present
>5 billion (probably much less than 1 million, if memory serves).

Our ancestors survived by diversity and competition: individual
groups died out from diseases, but others were not affected  by
this.

Since the emergence of the global civilization with intensive
contacts between all its parts, the emergence of a virus
or germ that could wipe out most of us is a real possibility.
It may or may not be *probable*: I don't have data to estimate
it, and I doubt anyone has.

But neither is there data to appraise the perils of high
population: these are equally imaginary scenarios.

>I don't know if there has been any species whose  extinction  was
>primarily due to infectious disease.

Nor do you (or anyone) know there aren't. But species *do*
get extinct when their  numbers are sufficiently depleted;
and it is safe to say infections contribute to that.

>The genetic variability of the human population is much less
>important in the modern control of infectious disease than the
>genetic library found in other species.  

Yes, but I was speaking of our insurance  against  disaster,  not
day-to-day  disease  control.  Science  has  not licked AIDS yet;
meanwhile we are lucky that it is not more infectious than it  is
*and* that some people are immune to it. This last *is* a matter of
genetic variablility, and may one day be our last-ditch defence.

>Many medicines have been developed from other species, some exam-
>ples  being  quinine, penicillin, streptomycin, tetracycline, and
>cytarabine. We have barely begun to tap the  potential  of  other
>species to provide medical benefits -- a strong argument in favor
>of species and ecosystem  preservation  (especially  in  tropical
>forests),  which  in  turn is a strong argument in favor of human
>population control.

We do reduce the number of species and ought to preserve them.
That much is granted. But: 

(1) The reduction depends on the
current technology much more than on the population numbers.
E.g., space-based industries wouldn't disturb any species.

(2) Species (or their genetic material)
may be preserved artificially in lab conditions.

(3)Assuming that the chances to derive new medicines  from  other
species  are proportional to the number of species, they are only
reduced negligibly by the loss of a few thousand of them.

(4) The biotech industry is starting to produce artificial
genetic variations that should diminish our dependence  on  those
naturally occurring.

(5) These useful drugs are developed *from*  other  species  *by*
Homo  Sapiens.  They  are a product of two factors. If "the fewer
species the fewer drugs" is true (in the  abstract)  then  it  is
quite  as true that the more people the more drugs. Since popula-
tion growth is greater, by many orders of magnitude, than species
depletion,  we  gain  by  the process.  Not all people make these
discoveries, to be sure, - we have "just  started  to  tap  their
potential".

		Jan Wasilewsky