pfau@ihuxm.UUCP (l pfau) (11/05/85)
Does anyone remember the "origin" of the Martin's youngest son, Joey? Was he adopted or did Kate have him late in life? Does anyone know why Jenny left the show? I haven't seen her doing anything else. Recently, someone complained about the quality of the writing on AMC. I agree that it has gone downhill. They drag out the stories forever - I am sick of the Tad/Hilary romance.
sint@ihlpl.UUCP (Marguerite Czajka) (11/06/85)
> Does anyone remember the "origin" of the Martin's > youngest son, Joey? Was he adopted or did Kate have > him late in life? > Well, Kate would have had to have him *very* late in life! Joey is Joe and Ruth Martin's only child together (not counting their adoption of Tad). > Does anyone know why Jenny left the show? I haven't > seen her doing anything else. > I haven't seen her either but I think she left to do other things. I don't think it was because of a disagreement or anything. It's too bad they killed her off so completely!
michael1@ihlpm.UUCP (Pula) (11/06/85)
> > Does anyone remember the "origin" of the Martin's > > youngest son, Joey? Was he adopted or did Kate have > > him late in life? > > > Well, Kate would have had to have him *very* late in life! Joey is Joe > and Ruth Martin's only child together (not counting their adoption of Tad). > Baloney! Joey is the little kid (maybe in kindergarden now). I don't know how he got into the picture, but if you remember, Joey was the one that found the computer disk! He isn't shown very much. -mike -- Mike !ihnp4!ihlpm!michael1
sint@ihlpl.UUCP (Marguerite Czajka) (11/07/85)
> > > Does anyone remember the "origin" of the Martin's youngest son, Joey? > > > Was he adopted or did Kate have him late in life? > > > > > Well, Kate would have had to have him *very* late in life! Joey is Joe > > and Ruth Martin's only child together (not counting their adoption of Tad). > > > Baloney! Joey is the little kid (maybe in kindergarden now). I don't know > how he got into the picture, but if you remember, Joey was the one that found > the computer disk! He isn't shown very much. > -mike > > Mike > !ihnp4!ihlpm!michael1 Baloney? What does that refer to? I know who Joey is. Kate was Joe Martins mom. She was a little old to have a child Joey's age! I *know* he is Ruth's child - I remember when he was born - she was *extremely* overprotective as it was just a short while after Phil had disappeared. If you don't know, why do you think I'm wrong?
pfau@ihuxm.UUCP (l pfau) (11/07/85)
> > > > Does anyone remember the "origin" of the Martin's youngest son, Joey? > > > > Was he adopted or did Kate have him late in life? > > > > > > > Well, Kate would have had to have him *very* late in life! Joey is Joe > > > and Ruth Martin's only child together (not counting their adoption of Tad). > > > I asked the original question and I do apologize for asking about Kate instead of Ruth, I did know that much. The reason I asked it was I vaguely recall that Ruth Martin was raped by Ray Gardner, I was trying to remember if Joey was a result of this. I was not a regular viewer at that time, however, and don't remember the details.
ken@gitpyr.UUCP (Ken Hall) (11/08/85)
Jenny was killed in a ski boating accident the summer before last, except that it was no accident. A guy that wanted her was trying to kill Greg, Jenny's husband, and killed Jenny by mistake. I hated to see her go. She was good the the show. I personally don't think AMC has been the same since. Ken Hall
m1b@rayssd.UUCP (M. Joseph Barone) (11/08/85)
> > Does anyone remember the "origin" of the Martin's > > youngest son, Joey? Was he adopted or did Kate have > > him late in life? > > > Well, Kate would have had to have him *very* late in life! Joey is Joe > and Ruth Martin's only child together (not counting their adoption of Tad). I believe Philip was also Joe and Ruth Martin's son. He was definitely Ruth's. However, he died in a plane crash at sea. Joe Barone, {allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b Raytheon Co, Submarine Signal Div., Box 330, Portsmouth, RI 02871
sint@ihlpl.UUCP (Marguerite Czajka) (11/09/85)
> I believe Philip was also Joe and Ruth Martin's son. He was > definitely Ruth's. However, he died in a plane crash at sea. > > Joe Barone, {allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b > Raytheon Co, Submarine Signal Div., Box 330, Portsmouth, RI 02871 Well, Charlie Brent is Phil Brent and Tara Martin's son. Tara is Joe Martin's daughter. So Phil couldn't have been Joe's son - that would have made him Tara's brother (half at least). For some reason I think Nick Davis is involved as Phil's father somehow. Maybe he was just a father figure?
clare@haddock.UUCP (11/11/85)
I think Joey was adopted... But Jenny left the show because she was written out of the script. The writers believed that the Jenny/Greg romance was a go-nowhere story line. G. and J. were too in love to ever split up and too goody-goody to ever fool around behind each other's respective backs...in short, they were boring! Who knows what Jenny is doing? She's probably still trying to act her way out of that paper bag she was trapped in. I agree that the AMC story line is a little too contrived for even the most avid fan to accept. One Life to Live is (dare I suggest) more interesting.
dms@ihlpg.UUCP (Spang) (11/11/85)
> > I believe Philip was also Joe and Ruth Martin's son. He was > > definitely Ruth's. However, he died in a plane crash at sea. > > > > Well, Charlie Brent is Phil Brent and Tara Martin's son. Tara is Joe Martin's > daughter. So Phil couldn't have been Joe's son - that would have made him > Tara's brother (half at least). For some reason I think Nick Davis is involved > as Phil's father somehow. Maybe he was just a father figure? Nick was married(I think) to Ruth at one point and Phil was their son(definite). Tara is Joe's daughter and she has a brother Jeff Martin. Kate is Joe and Paul's mother. Charlie Brent's real name is Phillip and was concieved just before Phil went to Vietnam. Chuck Tyler married Tara to help her out and when they thought Phil was dead raised Little Phillip as their own. When he got older he hated Phil and started using his middle name Ruth was raped by Tad's father and soon after Joey was concieved (by Joe). Joe was distant because of the rape and Ruth was over protective of Joey for a long time. And that is our history lesson for today boys and girls. Presently -- Andrew and Hillary are a thing now. Nina heard Andrew call Palmer 'Father' and went nuts. Hillary got Tad off the hook after he rigged the Univ. video system so he could be seen all over campus begging her to forgive him. Dottie is planning some sort of revenge on Hillary. Erica went to the 'Woman of the Year' with Jeremy's friend after Tom turned her down. Brook sent a babysitter over for Laura while Tom was there. She hadn't checked the references so Tom is suing for custody. Question: Why did Paul call Kate just Kate instead of Mom? I don't remember the explanation for it. Debbie
sint@ihlpl.UUCP (Marguerite Czajka) (11/12/85)
> > Nick was married(I think) to Ruth at one point and Phil was their > son(definite). Tara is Joe's daughter and she has a brother Jeff Martin. *You are quite right that Tara is the daughter of Joe Martin. And you are also *correct that Charlie Brent is the son of Tara and Phillip Brent. Nick Davis is *Phillip Brents natural father and Ruth's sister-I think her name was Gillian- *is his natural mother. Ruth Martin was only an aunt. The * was some mail I received - it's also what I fuzzily remember. Does anybody know what happened to Ruth's sister and other details? I wish they had someway to see some of the old shows - like the ones when Erica, Phil, Tara and Chuck were the young ones on the show!
boren@randvax.UUCP (Pat Boren) (11/12/85)
> I believe Philip was also Joe and Ruth Martin's son. He was > definitely Ruth's. However, he died in a plane crash at sea. Ok, let's get this straight. Ruth had a sister (don't know her name) who had Philip by Nick Davis. The sister was presumedly unwed or otherwise unable to raise Philip, so Ruth did. Ruth later married Joe Martin, father of Tara and Jeff, brother to Paul Martin, son of Kate Martin. Ruth and Joe adopted Tad when he was young (not knowing about Tad's parents, who "popped" on the show later as Ray and Opal Gardner), and had Joey (who was NOT a result of Ray raping Ruth). And before someone asks, the Tyler line: Charles Tyler was wed to someone long before Phoebe English. By that woman, he had a child who grew up to be Chuck Tyler's parent. I don't think Chuck's parents ever existed on the show -- possibly they "died" when he was young. Meanwhile, Charles & Phoebe got married and had Anne and Lincoln. To further confuse parentage, Tara & Philip "marry" themselves before Philip leaves for war. She becomes pregnant, and marries Chuck to give the kid a name/home/etc. Then for years we watch this family to see when Little Philip (aka Charlie -- he changed his name to honor "my real dad" -- besides, he resented Philip returning and breaking up his folks) will learn who his dad really is. Gee, sounds like a soap, huh? -- Patricia Boren decvax!randvax!boren boren@rand-unix.arpa
jeff@ucla-cs.UUCP (11/13/85)
Nick Davis and Ruth's sister Amy had a teenage affair. When Amy became pregnant, Nick left town. Ruth and her first husband, Ted Brent, childless, adopted her illegitimate nephew, Philip (Amy's child by Nick). When AMC started, Nick had just returned to Pine Valley, sending Amy into a tizzy. Eventually, Nick figured out that Philip was his son by Amy. He wanted to claim paternity, but Ruth, Amy, and Ted fought him until, finally, Ted was killed in a rainy car accident trying to prevent Phil from finding out the family scandal. Incidentally, at this time, Amy was married to Lincoln Tyler. I don't know what ever happened to her or to the marriage. Anyway, the widowed Ruth married Joe Martin, making Phil and Tara step- brother and sister. However, since they had had a long-term love rela- tionship, they continued despite their new relationship. Somewhere along the line, Phil found out that Nick was his real father and after a period of hostility, decided to acknowledge him as his father. Soon after this, Phil and Tara "married" each other in a secret ceremony, and on their "wedding night", she became pregnant with Charlie. Phil was promptly shipped off to Vietnam and declared missing in action. On the rebound, Tara married Chuck to give her baby a name. They named him after his real father. When Phil was miraculously found in Vietnam, he returned home, caused a split between Chuck and Tara, married her, claimed his son, and was killed in a plane crash in the Bermuda Triangle. Little Philip didn't like his real dad until after he died (of course), and insisted on being called by his middle name, Charles. And that is the long-past history of the Brent-Martin connection. Charlie is both Ruth's and Joe's grandson by separate children from separate marriages. (this has been kindly provided by my wife, a long time AMC addict who has been watching the show since the beginning - I have only been addicted for six years, not nearly long enough to know of such wonderful goings on.) Jeff Schaffer
m1b@rayssd.UUCP (M. Joseph Barone) (11/18/85)
> Does anyone know why Jenny left the show? I haven't > seen her doing anything else. The local TV supplement to our newspaper states that Kim Delaney is currently in Israel filming a feature film titled 'Delta Force'. She also appears in the current film 'That Was Then...This Is Now' starring Emilio ('St. Elmo's Fire') Estevez. Joe Barone, {allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b Raytheon Co, Submarine Signal Div., Box 330, Portsmouth, RI 02871
shari@rosevax.UUCP (Shari Nelson) (11/21/85)
> > film 'That Was Then...This Is Now' starring Emilio ('St. > Elmo's Fire') Estevez. > Shouldn't that be Emilio ('The Breakfast Club') or ('Repo Man') Estevez? ps Joey was NOT adopted. He is the Martin's (Ruth and Joe's) son. Remember how SUPER protective Ruth was when he was born? She was neurotic and wouldn' even leave the house. -- ..!ihnp4!rosevax!shari a Minnesota Gopher fan forever!!! Shari Nelson Rosemount Inc. 12001 W. 78th St. Eden Prairie, Mn. 55344