merchant@dartvax.UUCP (Peter Merchant) (07/13/84)
{ Interesting... }
Hmm. Interesting concept. And, of course, "rock music" became more popular
as more highways stretched across our nation and people were driving around
longer.
Also, in the case of pop music, you need something that you can listen to
without being distracted by (so you don't drive by that all important parking
space or miss an exit or something.)
However, there is also some classical music that, I think, would still show up
on the car radio. And there is pop music that will be utterly drowned out by
the honks and toots of traffic.
Either that, or it could just be that classical music is boring...
(Sorry. I could resist that last remark.)
--
"It's got a good beat, Peter Merchant
but you can't dance to it.
I'd give it a 65, man."dya@unc-c.UUCP (07/14/84)
References: dartvax.2199
On the other hand, with rolling cathedrals like a Lincoln Mark V LSC or
T-bird or anything bigger than a Chevette that GM makes, I would think that
dnamic range in the car would be at least as good as the average living
room (with the car windows rolled up.) Unfortunately, my spouse's Bomni with
a sunroof causes dandy oscillations around 10 hz.
FOR GOD'S SAKE, let's bury this discussion. You don't want classical
stations finding out about COMPRESSION do you ? It's bad enough that our
local NPR outlet uses about 20 dB of Optimod compression. If the find out that
what those disgusting AM and FM rock stations have been doing to get ratings
is to squeeze the dynamic range to 1 dB or less...AAARRRRGH.
As for you who play cassettes or read/write Compact Discs in the car,
simply encode with DBX but don't decode. Occasionally, I do this when playing
tapes in my buzzy EXP.
-dya-brianp@shark.UUCP (Brian Peterson) (07/16/84)
But isn't it fun to roll down your windows and crank something majestic? Brian Peterson ucbvax!tektronix!shark!brianp
grw@fortune.UUCP (Glenn Wichman) (07/17/84)
bip.
I don't listen to classical music because I don't have the
patience for it. I admit it, this is a flaw in myself, but I
like music to come and tell me what it has to say and go away
again in about 6 minutes. Even that is a lot longer than top
40, which tends to be more like 2-3 minutes.
-Glenndep@allegra.UUCP (Dewayne E. Perry) (07/17/84)
<this line will appear if the deamon prefers classical music> It seems that most people prefer pablum over steak, cartoons over serious drama, comic books over literature, etc. In short, people will resort to almost anything to avoid thinking. Lets have a hand for the musically impaired - dep
rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (07/17/84)
> It seems that most people prefer pablum over steak, cartoons over > serious drama, comic books over literature, etc. > In short, people will resort to almost anything to avoid thinking. > Lets have a hand for the musically impaired - dep Yes, snobbery rears its ugly head once again. Of course, all thinking people know that the only serious music worth listening to is the well-defined and culturally purified so-called classical music, and that all other musics in the world (including rock, jazz, that hideous punk garbage, third world musics ["Of course, Clarence, they're not ed-ju-ca-ted in the ways of true music, heathens that they are..."], electronic musics ["But, Buffy, it's not made with *real* instruments..."], etc.) are uncultured drivel. It would seem to me that a goodly number of the classical snobs in the world have never listened to anything other than "top forty" classical music: e.g., Beethoven's 5th Symphony, Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, etc. Quick to look down their ski-slope noses at those who listen to hideous "pop" music (which they've never listened to except to utter near-profanities about its low quality and cover their ears), these are the same people who grimace at the thought of listening to anything outside of their known favorites, be it Palestrina, Partch, Pepper, or Public Image Limited. They laugh at the "uncultured slobs" of the world who watch lowly TV shows and movies and listen to drek on the radio. Yet *they* are just as much LAME SHEEP as those they deride. Yes, some people will resort to almost anything to avoid thinking. Even listening to popular classics so that they can pass themselves off as suave sophisticates while still avoiding the process of thinking. Thank you, allegra!dep, for pointing this out. [THIS MAY NOT APPLY TO ALL REAL LOVERS OF SO-CALLED CLASSICAL MUSIC, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH POINTING OUT IN LIGHT OF allegra!dep's ENLIGHTENING COMMENTS AS TO HIS EXPOSURE TO OTHER MUSICS.] -- a more wretched hive of scum and villainy: not found Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr
robison@eosp1.UUCP (Tobias D. Robison) (07/18/84)
QUOTING:
I don't listen to classical music because I don't have the
patience for it. I admit it, this is a flaw in myself, but I
like music to come and tell me what it has to say and go away
again in about 6 minutes. Even that is a lot longer than top
40, which tends to be more like 2-3 minutes.
-Glenn
UNQUOTE.
Lot's of classical music consists of short pieces, shorter than
the average rock video. Lots of classical music that takes
longer still consists of short pieces. Try a few.
- Toby Robison (not Robinson!)
allegra!eosp1!robison
decvax!ittvax!eosp1!robisonjeffw@tekecs.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) (07/18/84)
After my ride to work this morning in a car with a sunroof, I have suddenly realized why my favorite music is not the music of the million. It all rests on one assumption. (Always assume, etc. - just can't keep away from Rich Rosen's signature lines!) And that is - For most people, music while driving is a must. Whatever a persons's favorite music is, it must be listenable in the car - especially on those lovely warm days when you feel so good and the windows (or sunroof) are all rolled down. ok? Well, you think the niceties of the last act of "pelleas and melisande" are going to make it through that noisy background? The middle movement of the Jupiter Symphony? The dense counterpoint of Schoenberg's orchestra Variations? (Just couldn't leave him out.) Forget it. You want a beat - Boom-cht, Boom-cht, Boom-cht, Boom-ch-ch, Boom-cht etc. and some kind of tune in the treble that's easy to follow. presto! A market is born. Then again... out in the sun too long, Jeff Winslow
elf@utcsrgv.UUCP (Eugene Fiume) (07/18/84)
This discussion has the potential of becoming exceedingly stupid. Nevertheless I have to point out the obvious: classical music is often found in very popular pieces. Sometimes they are quoted directly (very often without credit--listen to the Bach ripoffs in old Procol Harem and Jethro Tull and lottsa jazz groups). Sometimes the borrowing is less direct (e.g. early Genesis vs. various Bach preludes). And why is it that synthesiser versions of classical pieces become so popular (e.g. W. Carlos, Tomita, Synergy, ELP)? Popular music throughout this century has made a practice of borrowing classical music themes. Sometimes the results are nice, but other times it's so offensive it causes nausea (e.g. a recent popular song called "Midnight Blue" or some such craziness, which is a horrible vocalisation of the best-known movement from Beethoven's best-known piano sonata). The best rock borrowing of classical (well, baroque) music I have ever heard is by an Italian group called RDM, who, in an album translated as "Contamination", work wonders with some Bach pieces. (It's on RCA (ugh); buy the import if you're interested.) It was pointed out elsewhere that classical pieces aren't necessarily long. Great examples of pieces that say what they have to say in 4-6 minutes are Chopin's nocturnes. A touch sentimental, perhaps, but much more interesting that your standard MOR/AOR ballad. For something more modern, try George Winston's Autumn or December albums. It's not exactly classical or jazz or pop, but it is just the stuff to open a few ears. I've recommended only piano works in this paragraph because it's one of the few "crossover" instruments. Eugene Fiume U of Toronto
cpma@vice.UUCP (John Thomas) (07/24/84)
Perhaps classical music NEEDS the dynamic range to have its impact. Long live CD's.
ponce@tty3b.UUCP (2-8-84"Lorenzo D 97750) (07/26/84)
<<................................>> Long ago when I still in high school we used to go crusin' with Bach blasting on the car stereo. We weren't good looking but we sure were unique!