[net.music.classical] Beethoven's Erotica Symphony

robison@eosp1.UUCP (Tobias D. Robison) (08/16/84)

References:

(Vg'f nyy va gur rlr/rne bs gur orubyqre, vfa'g vg...)

V jbaqre ubj jryy xabja vg vf gung gur svefg zbirzrag bs
Orrgubira'f "Rebvpn" flzcubal pbagnvaf n tencuvp qrcvpgvba
bs n znyr betnfz.  Vs guvf vf fgnegyvat arjf gb lbh, V'yy
erivrj gur rivqrapr.  Rnpu cvrpr bs rivqrapr vaqvivqhnyyl vf abg
greevoyl pbaivapvat, ohg gbtrgure gurl sbez n crefhnfvir cnggrea.

Urer'f jung unccraf va gur qrirybczrag frpgvba:

(1) Gur qrirybczrag jbexf hc gb frireny frevrf bs ybhq pubeqf
jvgu gur sbyybjvat eulguz:

    >        >        >     >   >
3                                ___
- & K. K | K K. K | K K K | K K K | K
4   |  |   | |  |   | | |   | | |   |
    |  |_  | |  |_  | | |   | | |   |

Gurfr frdhraprf erpnyy gur guehfgvat bs frkhny vagrepbhefr.

(2) Gur pubeq frdhraprf pbzr gb na nccebcevngr ybhq zhfvpny pyvznk
(sebz guvf cbvag bs ivrj), naq ner gura sbyybjrq ol n crphyvne
frevrf bs fbsg fgnppngb pubeqf va gur fgevatf.  Gubfr pubeqf
ercerfrag gur rwnphyngvba.

(3) Vzzrqvngryl sbyybjvat gurfr pubeqf bpphef fbzrguvat gung jnf nyzbfg
havdhr va Orrgubira'f gvzr, n pbzcbfvgvbany grpuavdhr gung rira ur
uneqyl rire hfrq ntnva.  N fjrrg tragyr zrybqvp frpgvba, nccneragyl
pbzcyrgryl arj, vf vagebqhprq vagb gur qrirybczrag frpgvba.
Jr haqrefgnaq abj gur whfgvsvpngvba sbe guvf hahfhny pbzcbfvgvbany
grpuavdhr -- vg vf gur nsgretybj, n srryvat gbb havdhr gb or
ercerfragrq ol n cerivbhf gurzr.

(4) Va gur yvtug bs guvf vagrecergngvba, gur snzbhf ragenapr bs gur
Serapu ubea gjb onef rneyl jvgu gur zrybql, va gur ynfg zrnfherf
bs gur qrirybczrag frpgvba, pna or frra nf n wbxr nobhg cerzngher
rwnphyngvba.


Jung qb lbh fhccbfr Orrgubira gubhtug nobhg gur vanovyvgl bs uvf
sevraqf gb abgvpr jung ur jnf hc gb?  Be qvq gurl abgvpr, ohg
jrer gbb yblny be ersvarq gb jevgr nobhg vg be fgneg n fpnaqny?

Guvf vqrn vf abg bevtvany gb zr.  Vg jnf oebnqpnfg ba JXPE SZ va
gur rneyl fvkgvrf, ba Qe. Xraargu Pbbcre'f pynffvpny zhfvp cebtenz
(ur vf abj n svar cebsrffvbany unecfvpubeqvfg).  Nynf, V arire urneq
gur cebtenz, juvpu cebonoyl pbirerq gurfr vqrnf va orggre qrgnvy
guna V unir qbar urer.

N enqvb naabhaprq ba Cevaprgba'f Enqvb fgngvba, JCEO SZ, bapr ernq
na ragver erpbeq wnpxrg nanylfvf bs Orrgubira'f 3eq orsber cynlvat
vg, fnlvat "Rebgvpn" rirel gvzr gur jbeq "Rebvpn" nccrnerq.  Nsgre
gur zhfvp fgnegrq, V pnyyrq gur fgngvba naq gur sbyybjvat pbairefngvba
rafhrq:

D: Ner lbh fher lbh jrer ernqvat gung erpbeq wnpxrg npphengryl?
Vfa'g gung gur "Rebvpn" flzcubal?

N: Ab vg vfa'g.  Vg'f gur rebgvpn flzcubal.

D: Jul qba'g lbh whfg purpx gur erpbeq wnpxrg bapr zber.

N: Bu zl T-q!!!!
				  - Gbol Ebovfba
			          qrpink!vggink!rbfc1!ebovfba
				  be:   nyyrten!rbfc1!ebovfba
				  (znlor: cevaprgba!rbfc1!ebovfba)

				  - Toby Robison (not Robinson!)
			          decvax!ittvax!eosp1!robison
				  or:   allegra!eosp1!robison

gam@proper.UUCP (Gordon Moffett) (08/19/84)

@
The first movement of Beethoven's 3rd Symphony erotic/imitative of
male sexual response?

Heck, ALL the Viennese/Classical symphonies sound like that!  What
could be more reminiscient of orgasm than a finale of a Beethoven
symphony?

Of course, this is to our modern tastes, after the advent of
Fruedianism, where we expect to find subliminal erotica in
everything (whether it is there or not ... ?).
-- 

Gordon A. Moffett

{ hplabs!nsc, decvax!sun!amd, ihnp4!dual } !proper!gam

kissell@flairvax.UUCP (Kevin Kissell) (08/19/84)

This brings to mind the only Adrienne Rich poem I ever considered brilliant,
"The Ninth Symphony of Beethoven Understood at Last as a Sexual Message".