[net.music.classical] Classical Query

paul@phs.UUCP (Paul C. Dolber) (10/26/84)

This one may be difficult. The other day, while driving my son to school,
we heard a pair of pieces which belonged together and of which he liked
the first very much. The first was played on a stringed instrument,
I think a mandolin (though it should be noted I have trouble telling one
istrument from another), with some accompaniment; the second seemed
quite different, what I term (to myself) "typical Renaissance stuff"
(though for all I know it was Medieval or Baroque). Anyway, after the
music was over the announcer announced, while my ears were still in
"listen to music" mode rather than "listen to verbiage" mode, that the
composer was something moderately like "Giorgio Manerio" and the
selection(s) was titled "5 dances." The group doing the playing had
"London" and "Consort" somewhere in their name, if that helps. I went
to the Duke music record library, and couldn't come up with any name
strongly reminiscent of Manerio (checked Man*, Men*, Min*, Mon*, Mun*)
with a first name reminscent of Giorgio. Can anyone help?

As long as we're into difficult queries: This one's somewhat embarrassing,
but what the heck. While watching a portion (I swear, just a portion,
and only because my wife turned it on) of the Miss America pageant,
namely, the talent competition, I heard an interesting piece performed
by Miss NY. She, a (graduate?) student at, I think, Juilliard, played
a piano piece which I would term modern; which was very fast; which was
(I think) by an Argentinian composer; and which had a title involving
"Dance(s)" and "Trocadero(s)" -- I think. It's been a while, and the MAP
doesn't emphasize such details much. Can anyone crack this one?

Regards, Paul Dolber @ DUMC (...duke!phs!paul).

ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) (10/29/84)

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>> This one may be difficult...
>> we heard a pair of pieces which belonged together and of which he liked
>> the first very much...
>> ... what I term (to myself) "typical Renaissance stuff"
>> (though for all I know it was Medieval or Baroque). Anyway, after the
>> music was over the announcer announced, while my ears were still in
>> "listen to music" mode rather than "listen to verbiage" mode, that the
>> composer was something moderately like "Giorgio Manerio" and the
>> selection(s) was titled "5 dances." The group doing the playing had
>> "London" and "Consort" somewhere in their name, if that helps. I went
>> to the Duke music record library, and couldn't come up with any name
>> strongly reminiscent of Manerio (checked Man*, Men*, Min*, Mon*, Mun*)
>> with a first name reminscent of Giorgio. Can anyone help?

>> Regards, Paul Dolber @ DUMC (...duke!phs!paul).

You heard right, Paul.  It's Georgio Mainerio, and the pieces are
probably from his "Libro di Balli" of 1584.  The performing group
would be the Early Music Consort of London, directed by the late
David Munrow.  You won't find any recordings solely of Mainerio (nor
most pre-Baroque composers) because the pieces are quite short, and
most consorts like to mix up their programs a little.  Indeed, a
whole side of Mainerio would bore you to tears, as it all sounds
the same.  (Take it from someone who's played his stuff.)

The London Consort is definitely top-notch, so you can't go wrong
with most any recording they put out--especially the 2 and 3 record
sets.  Indeed, Munrow did an album, "The Medieval Sound", which is
a great starter if you're just getting interested in early music.
He talks about some of the more bizarre instruments and demonstrates them
on various catchy tunes of their periods.  I hope it's still available.
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gmk@uicsl.UUCP (11/08/84)

> /**** uicsl:net.music.classical / paul@phs /  3:08 pm  Oct 28, 1984 ****/
> As long as we're into difficult queries: This one's somewhat embarrassing,
> but what the heck. While watching a portion (I swear, just a portion,
> and only because my wife turned it on) of the Miss America pageant,
> namely, the talent competition, I heard an interesting piece performed
> by Miss NY. She, a (graduate?) student at, I think, Juilliard, played
> a piano piece which I would term modern; which was very fast; which was
> (I think) by an Argentinian composer; and which had a title involving
> "Dance(s)" and "Trocadero(s)" -- I think. It's been a while, and the MAP
> doesn't emphasize such details much. Can anyone crack this one?
> 
> Regards, Paul Dolber @ DUMC (...duke!phs!paul).
> /* ---------- */

Although I'm not familiar with the piece you describe, I would guess
that it's by Argentine composer Alberto Ginastera.
He's dabbled a lot in 12-tone stuff. I was introduced to his music
through Emerson, Lake, and Palmer who recorded a synthesized version
of the last movement of his first piano concerto.
I liked it so well that I hunted down the original--an old
RCA recording with Erich Leinsdorf/Boston and a Portuguese pianist
whose name escapes me at the moment.
I highly recommend this recording for anyone interested in
Ginastera's music and also for the persistent critics of
20th Century music.

Gary Koob
...!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uicsg!gmk

janetlee@bnl.UUCP (Janet Tatun) (11/17/84)

> > /**** uicsl:net.music.classical / paul@phs /  3:08 pm  Oct 28, 1984 ****/
> > As long as we're into difficult queries: This one's somewhat embarrassing,
> > but what the heck. While watching a portion (I swear, just a portion,
> > and only because my wife turned it on) of the Miss America pageant,
> > namely, the talent competition, I heard an interesting piece performed
> > by Miss NY. She, a (graduate?) student at, I think, Juilliard, played
> > a piano piece which I would term modern; which was very fast; which was
> > (I think) by an Argentinian composer; and which had a title involving
> > "Dance(s)" and "Trocadero(s)" -- I think. It's been a while, and the MAP
> > doesn't emphasize such details much. Can anyone crack this one?
> > 
> > Regards, Paul Dolber @ DUMC (...duke!phs!paul).
> > /* ---------- */
> 


From your description of the music might I suggest that you try
Darius Milhaud "saudades do Brazil" available on Nonesuch H-71316.


		Arnold L. Feinberg
		(janetlee@BNL)

...!decvax!philabs!sbcs!bnl!janetlee